WoW Forever Rogue Guide: Macros & Talents

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Start with these six

6 macros

ST Stealth, then BackstabSneak on the first press, then Backstab when you are in position.
Visible and out of combat: Stealth; Stealthed with a living enemy selected: Backstab
```
#showtooltip
/cast [stealth,harm,nodead] Backstab; [nostealth,nocombat] Stealth
```
SS Sinister Strike and auto-attackKeep swinging even when your Energy is short.
Starts melee attacks and attempts Sinister Strike on your living enemy target
```
#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Sinister Strike
```
EV Eviscerate and auto-attackKeep attacking while spending combo points on Eviscerate.
Starts melee attacks and attempts Eviscerate using your living enemy target
```
#showtooltip Eviscerate
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Eviscerate
```
SD Slice and Dice and auto-attackKeep attacking while spending combo points on Slice and Dice.
Starts melee attacks and attempts Slice and Dice using your living enemy target
```
#showtooltip Slice and Dice
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Slice and Dice
```
KI Kick the mouseover castInterrupt the enemy under your mouse and keep your selected target.
Kicks a living mouseover enemy, else your living enemy target
```
#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][harm,nodead] Kick
```
GO Gouge and stop swingingGive yourself a short pause without queuing another melee swing.
Stops melee attacks and attempts Gouge on your living enemy target
```
#showtooltip Gouge
/stopattack
/cast [harm,nodead] Gouge
```

Read a key

Press: Press normally for the main action shown on the card.
Shift: Hold Shift for the alternate spell, item, hand, or cancel action named on the card. Gold S on the keycap.
Alt: Hold Alt to use the helpful item on yourself. Green A on the keycap.
Ctrl: Hold Ctrl to use your selected enemy instead of the mouseover enemy. Blue C.

: Solid line: named in Blizzard's own Forever posts.
: Dashed line: from Forever client data or player reports.
: Characters used. The macro editor stops at 255.

Bind a macro in a minute

Type /macro while out of combat.
Pick the tab with your rogue's name so the macro stays on this character.
Click New, type the short name shown on the card, and pick the red question-mark icon: it lets #showtooltip show the real spell icon.
Click Copy on the card, paste into the big box, and click Save.
Drag the macro onto an action bar and bind that slot in Options > Keybindings.
Test it out of combat with every modifier listed on the card.

Before you rely on a key. These macros are checked against Blizzard's Forever posts and the Forever client's own UI code, but none has been run in the game yet. Test each one out of combat first. Checked against build 1.60.1.70374 on Oct 15, 2026.

What Forever changed for rogues

From Blizzard's Rogue and Warlock deep dive and beta notes through October 8, plus Wowhead Forever spell and talent data with client-only details labeled.

Instant Poison	Poisons have more charges and coexist with temporary weapon enchantments.
Feint	Threat reduction doubled.
Sap	No longer breaks Stealth. September notes also fixed PvP flagging.
Distract	Lowers affected enemies' Stealth detection for 10 seconds.
Expose Armor	Matches roughly five level-appropriate Sunder Armor stacks. Warriors can still use Sunder.
Mutilate	New 21-point talent. Requires two daggers; rewards poisoned targets.
Venom	New 31-point poison finisher. The client lists +30% poison damage and +10% application chance.
Flawless Execution	New 16-point talent: Eviscerate costs 10 less Energy.
Hack and Slash	Combines weapon specializations. Axe/sword: extra attacks; dagger/fist: crit; mace: armor penetration.
Weapon Expertise	Now reduces enemy dodge and parry chance.
Dirty Tricks	Replaces Improved Sap; reduces Sap and Blind Energy costs.
Improved Distract	New talent: larger radius and weaker enemy detection.
Premeditation	Now a 16-point talent; points last 20 seconds.
Hemorrhage	Dagger damage improved; boosts your own Rupture.
Quietus	New talent: stronger Sinister Strike, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage below 35% enemy health.
Cutthroat	New talent: Backstab can enable Ambush outside Stealth.
Thousand Cuts	New 31-point talent. Rupture ticks discount the next Hemorrhage or Backstab.
Coup de Grace	Client passive listed at 30: Eviscerate gains 2% damage per application of your Deadly Poison. Confirm trainer availability; this is no extra attack button.
Setup	October 1 fixed points being awarded from the wrong enemy.
Precision	Now covers poisons as well as weapon attacks. The client gives 3% hit for 3 points.

Stealth and openers

8 macros

Get close before you get loud. These keys use [stealth] consistently; test each body on your beta character before a dungeon pull.

Stealth, then Backstab

Sneak on the first press, then Backstab when you are in position.

Backstab Stealth

Lv 4Client data

Press: Visible and out of combat: Stealth
Press: Stealthed with a living enemy selected: Backstab

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#showtooltip
/cast [stealth,harm,nodead] Backstab; [nostealth,nocombat] Stealth

Notes and test 3

Use a main-hand dagger and get behind the enemy.
Stealth and the opener take separate presses; this does not start attacks early.
The modern UI parser and community UI examples support [stealth]; the full macro still needs a beta test.

TestOut of combat, clear your target and press twice; you should enter Stealth and stay there.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data · Community Stealth condition

Stealth without toggling out

Enter Stealth without a second press switching it off.

Stealth

Lv 1Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks; enters Stealth only while visible and out of combat

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#showtooltip Stealth
/stopattack
/cast [nostealth,nocombat] Stealth

Notes and test 2

It will not clear combat or remove a damage effect.
Put this same macro on your normal and Stealth bars so paging does not change the key.

TestOut of combat, press several times and check that Stealth stays active.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data · Community Stealth condition

Ambush or Sinister Strike

Let Stealth choose the opener, then build points with the same key.

Ambush Sinister Strike

Lv 18Client data

Press: Stealthed: Ambush on your living enemy target
Press: Visible: Sinister Strike on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip
/cast [stealth,harm,nodead] Ambush; [nostealth,harm,nodead] Sinister Strike

Notes and test 3

The first matching branch wins even if its spell cannot fire.
There is no auto-attack line to break Stealth before the opener.
Ambush needs a main-hand dagger and a position behind your target.

TestOut of combat, enter Stealth and check the tooltip, then leave Stealth and check that it changes to Sinister Strike.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Garrote or Sinister Strike

Let Stealth choose the opener, then build points with the same key.

Garrote Sinister Strike

Lv 14Client data

Press: Stealthed: Garrote on your living enemy target
Press: Visible: Sinister Strike on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip
/cast [stealth,harm,nodead] Garrote; [nostealth,harm,nodead] Sinister Strike

Notes and test 3

The first matching branch wins even if its spell cannot fire.
There is no auto-attack line to break Stealth before the opener.
Get behind the target unless Dirty Deeds removes that position requirement.

TestOut of combat, enter Stealth and check the tooltip, then leave Stealth and check that it changes to Sinister Strike.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data · Forever talent data

Cheap Shot or Sinister Strike

Let Stealth choose the opener, then build points with the same key.

Cheap Shot Sinister Strike

Lv 26Client data

Press: Stealthed: Cheap Shot on your living enemy target
Press: Visible: Sinister Strike on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip
/cast [stealth,harm,nodead] Cheap Shot; [nostealth,harm,nodead] Sinister Strike

Notes and test 3

The first matching branch wins even if its spell cannot fire.
There is no auto-attack line to break Stealth before the opener.
Stun immunity blocks Cheap Shot; it does not trigger the other branch.

TestOut of combat, enter Stealth and check the tooltip, then leave Stealth and check that it changes to Sinister Strike.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Sap the mouseover enemy

Park the enemy under your mouse without changing your target.

Sap

Lv 10Blizzard Forever post

Press: Stops melee attacks; Saps a living mouseover enemy, else your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Sap
/stopattack
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][harm,nodead] Sap

Notes and test 3

Sap now preserves Stealth in Forever.
A matching mouseover wins even if it is out of range or cannot be Sapped.
Check eligible targets in the tooltip; damage can end the control.

TestFrom out of combat and Stealth, hover an eligible isolated enemy and press once to check Sap without changing your selected target.

Sources: Blizzard rogue deep dive · Blizzard beta notes · Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Pick Pocket without an opener

Check a pocket before committing to the fight.

Pick Pocket

Lv 4Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks; while stealthed, Pick Pockets a living mouseover enemy, else your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Pick Pocket
/stopattack
/cast [stealth,@mouseover,harm,nodead][stealth,harm,nodead] Pick Pocket

Notes and test 3

Use an enemy with pockets and move into range.
Loot before pressing an opener; this key does not attack or automate looting.
A matching mouseover with no loot does not make it try your selected enemy.

TestFrom out of combat and Stealth, hover an isolated humanoid in range and press once to check for a loot window.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Distract, Shift for Sap

Place a distraction, then choose the enemy to Sap yourself.

Sap Distract

Lv 22Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks and opens the normal Distract placement circle
Shift: Stops melee attacks; Saps a living mouseover enemy, else your living enemy target

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#showtooltip
/stopattack
/cast [mod:shift,@mouseover,harm,nodead][mod:shift,harm,nodead] Sap; [nomod:shift] Distract

Notes and test 3

Click the ground yourself; cursor placement has not been tested on beta.
Distract reduces Stealth detection for 10 seconds in Forever.
Shift does not place Distract or enter Stealth for you.

TestOut of combat, place Distract away from enemies, then hold Shift and check the Sap tooltip.

Sources: Blizzard rogue deep dive · Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Build your combo points

6 macros

Start swinging when you mean to fight. Auto-attack keeps going even when you cannot afford the next builder.

Sinister Strike and auto-attack

Keep swinging even when your Energy is short.

Sinister Strike

Lv 1Client data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Sinister Strike on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Sinister Strike

Notes and test 2

Use this when you intend to fight; auto-attack can break Stealth or crowd control.
A failed Sinister Strike does not turn melee attacks off.

TestFrom out of combat, target an isolated low-level enemy in melee range and press once to check that attacks begin.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Backstab and auto-attack

Start melee attacks and use Backstab on your selected enemy.

Backstab

Lv 4Client data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Backstab on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Backstab
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Backstab

Notes and test 2

Use a main-hand dagger and stand behind the enemy.
Even a failed Backstab starts attacks, so use a separate Stealth opener key.

TestFrom out of combat, select a distant enemy and press once to check the spell name and range error without changing targets.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Mutilate and auto-attack

Start melee attacks and use Mutilate on your selected enemy.

Mutilate

Lv 30AssassinationClient data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Mutilate on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Mutilate
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Mutilate

Notes and test 3

Take Mutilate and equip a dagger in each hand.
Attacks start even when Mutilate cannot fire.
Mutilate is a row 4 talent: 5 x 4 + 10 = level 30 with 21 points in Assassination; trainer ranks also appear at 30, but do not replace the talent.

TestFrom out of combat, select a distant enemy and press once to check the spell name and range error without changing targets.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data · Forever talent data

Ghostly Strike and auto-attack

Start melee attacks and use Ghostly Strike on your selected enemy.

Ghostly Strike

Lv 20SubtletyClient data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Ghostly Strike on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Ghostly Strike
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Ghostly Strike

Notes and test 3

Take Ghostly Strike before binding this.
Use a normal builder while its cooldown runs; this macro will not choose one.
Ghostly Strike is a row 2 talent: 5 x 2 + 10 = level 20 with 11 points in Subtlety.

TestFrom out of combat, select a distant enemy and press once to check the spell name and range error without changing targets.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data · Forever talent data

Hemorrhage and auto-attack

Start melee attacks and use Hemorrhage on your selected enemy.

Hemorrhage

Lv 30SubtletyClient data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Hemorrhage on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Hemorrhage
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Hemorrhage

Notes and test 3

Take Hemorrhage and its Serrated Blades prerequisite.
Watch Rupture timing yourself; this key is one builder, not a rotation.
Hemorrhage is a row 4 talent: 5 x 4 + 10 = level 30 with 21 points in Subtlety, including 3 points in Serrated Blades.

TestFrom out of combat, select a distant enemy and press once to check the spell name and range error without changing targets.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data · Forever talent data

Ambush proc, Shift for Backstab

Choose Ambush yourself when Cutthroat gives you an opening.

Backstab Ambush

Lv 35 · after beta capSubtletyClient data

Press: Attempts Ambush on your living enemy target; needs Stealth or a valid Cutthroat proc
Shift: Backstab on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift,harm,nodead] Backstab; [harm,nodead] Ambush

Notes and test 4

Ambush is not gated behind [stealth], so a Cutthroat proc can work.
The macro cannot detect the proc; watch your buff and use Shift for Backstab.
Both attacks still need their weapon and position requirements.
Cutthroat is a row 5 talent: 5 x 5 + 10 = level 35 with 26 points in Subtlety; beyond the level-30 beta cap.

TestOut of combat, enter Stealth and check the Ambush tooltip, then hold Shift to check Backstab without attacking.

Sources: Blizzard rogue deep dive · Forever UI code · Forever talent data · Forever spellbook data

Spend the points on purpose

5 macros

Choose damage, a buff, a bleed, or armor reduction yourself. A macro cannot count points and pick the right answer.

Eviscerate and auto-attack

Keep attacking while spending combo points on Eviscerate.

Eviscerate

Lv 1Client data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Eviscerate using your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Eviscerate
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Eviscerate

Notes and test 2

Build combo points first; this key cannot create them.
Auto-attack starts even when the finisher fails.

TestOut of combat, select a distant enemy and check the Eviscerate tooltip without attempting to spend points.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Slice and Dice and auto-attack

Keep attacking while spending combo points on Slice and Dice.

Slice and Dice

Lv 10Client data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Slice and Dice using your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Slice and Dice
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Slice and Dice

Notes and test 2

Spend combo points to keep your attack-speed buff running.
The macro cannot check remaining duration; watch your buff before pressing again.

TestOut of combat, select a distant enemy and check the Slice and Dice tooltip without attempting to spend points.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Rupture and auto-attack

Keep attacking while spending combo points on Rupture.

Rupture

Lv 20Client data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Rupture using your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Rupture
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Rupture

Notes and test 2

Check that the enemy will live long enough for the bleed to help.
Avoid putting damage over time on an enemy you intend to park with break-on-damage control.

TestOut of combat, select a distant enemy and check the Rupture tooltip without attempting to spend points.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Expose Armor and auto-attack

Keep attacking while spending combo points on Expose Armor.

Expose Armor

Lv 14Client data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Expose Armor using your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Expose Armor
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Expose Armor

Notes and test 2

Forever lets a warrior keep using Sunder Armor under Expose Armor.
Agree with the group before spending points on armor reduction.

TestOut of combat, select a distant enemy and check the Expose Armor tooltip without attempting to spend points.

Sources: Blizzard rogue deep dive · Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Venom and auto-attack

Keep attacking while spending combo points on Venom.

Venom

Lv 40 · after beta capAssassinationClient data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Venom using your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Venom
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Venom

Notes and test 3

Venom buffs poisons; it is a new Forever finisher.
Watch your buff yourself; this key cannot decide when it needs refreshing.
Venom is a row 6 talent: 5 x 6 + 10 = level 40 with 31 points in Assassination and Mutilate; beyond the level-30 beta cap.

TestOut of combat, select a distant enemy and check the Venom tooltip without attempting to spend points.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data · Forever talent data

Interrupts and timeouts

5 macros

Kick the cast and park the extra enemy. Timeout keys avoid starting attacks that spoil the plan.

Kick the mouseover cast

Interrupt the enemy under your mouse and keep your selected target.

Kick

Lv 12Client data

Press: Kicks a living mouseover enemy, else your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][harm,nodead] Kick

Notes and test 2

You need melee range, enough Energy, and an interruptible cast.
A living mouseover out of range wins and fails; it does not retry your selected enemy.

TestOut of combat, hover a distant enemy and press to check the range error while your selected target stays unchanged.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Gouge and stop swinging

Give yourself a short pause without queuing another melee swing.

Gouge

Lv 6Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks and attempts Gouge on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Gouge
/stopattack
/cast [harm,nodead] Gouge

Notes and test 3

Face an enemy that is facing you and get into melee range.
Existing bleeds, poisons, or another player can still break the control.
Do not follow it by mashing an auto-attack builder.

TestFrom out of combat, approach an isolated low-level enemy facing you and press once, then check that you do not keep swinging.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Blind without a follow-up swing

Control the enemy under your mouse without switching targets.

Blind

Lv 34 · after beta capClient data

Press: Stops melee attacks; Blinds a living mouseover enemy, else your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Blind
/stopattack
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][harm,nodead] Blind

Notes and test 4

Blind unlocks above the beta cap; save this card for later.
Read the learned tooltip for its reagent and bring it.
Existing damage on the enemy can spoil a break-on-damage effect.
Blind is trained at 34, above the level-30 beta cap.

TestOut of combat at level 34 or higher, hover a distant enemy and check the Blind tooltip and range error.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Kidney Shot, keep swinging

Spend points on a stun when you mean to keep fighting this enemy.

Kidney Shot

Lv 30Client data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Kidney Shot on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Kidney Shot
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Kidney Shot

Notes and test 2

This stun key deliberately keeps melee attacks running.
Build points on the intended enemy first; the macro checks neither immunity nor repeated-control penalties.

TestOut of combat, select a distant enemy and check that Kidney Shot appears with the expected range warning.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Kick a remembered enemy

An optional focus key for players willing to test it first.

Kick

Lv 12Client data

Press: Kicks only a living enemy focus; no target fallback

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#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@focus,harm,nodead] Kick

Notes and test 3

Focus targeting exists in the Forever UI code but has not been tested on beta.
Set a focus with the unit menu first; use Mouse Kick if focus targeting fails.
Your focus still needs to be within melee range.

TestOut of combat, set a distant enemy as focus and press once to check routing and the range error.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Get home for bedtime

4 macros

Stop swinging before you disappear. Keep a clear route out and give each escape room to work.

Vanish and stop attacking

Stop swinging before attempting to disappear.

Vanish

Lv 22Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks and attempts Vanish

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#showtooltip Vanish
/stopattack
/cast Vanish

Notes and test 3

Read your learned tooltip and carry its reagent.
Stopping attacks does not remove damage over time or guarantee safety after Vanish.
Keep builders and /startattack off this escape key.

TestOut of combat in a safe spot, press once with the required reagent and watch the effect and cooldown.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Sprint, Shift for Evasion

Choose speed or dodge without spending both cooldowns.

Evasion Sprint

Lv 10Client data

Press: Sprint
Shift: Evasion instead of Sprint

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#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Evasion; Sprint

Notes and test 2

Neither branch automatically uses Vanish.
Improved Sprint can change what Sprint clears; check your actual talent ranks.

TestOut of combat, press plain and then Shift after the global cooldown to check that only the chosen buff appears.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data · Forever talent data

Evasion and stop cleaving

Turn off Blade Flurry before using your dodge cooldown.

Evasion Blade Flurry

Lv 30CombatClient data

Press: Cancels your Blade Flurry buff, then attempts Evasion

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#showtooltip Evasion
/cancelaura Blade Flurry
/cast Evasion

Notes and test 3

It cancels Blade Flurry even if Evasion is unavailable.
This does not stop single-target melee attacks.
Evasion is trained at 8; Blade Flurry is a row 4 Combat talent, earliest level 30 with 21 points.

TestOut of combat with Blade Flurry learned, activate it and press this key to check that the cleave buff disappears.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data · Forever talent data

Feint while keeping pressure

Reduce threat without turning off melee attacks.

Feint

Lv 16Client data

Press: Starts melee attacks and attempts Feint on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Feint
/startattack [harm,nodead]
/cast [harm,nodead] Feint

Notes and test 2

Forever doubles Feint threat reduction.
It is a threat tool, not a promise of damage immunity.

TestOut of combat, select a distant enemy and press once to check the spell and range error.

Sources: Blizzard rogue deep dive · Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

A poison for each hand

4 macros

Bring the poison items in your bags. Plain press coats your main hand; Shift coats your off hand.

Instant Poison, either hand

Apply the poison item to the hand you choose.

Instant Poison Instant Poison

Lv 20Client data

Press: Instant Poison on main hand, equipment slot 16
Shift: Instant Poison on off hand, equipment slot 17

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#showtooltip Instant Poison
/use Instant Poison
/use [mod:shift] 17; 16

Notes and test 3

Carry the exact named item; higher ranks have different names, so edit both lines when upgrading.
Finish the application and confirm any replacement prompt yourself.
Forever permits poisons alongside temporary weapon enchants.

TestOut of combat with both weapons equipped, apply plain and then Shift after the first application finishes, and inspect each weapon.

Sources: Forever UI code · Instant Poison tooltip · Blizzard rogue deep dive

Crippling Poison, either hand

Apply the poison item to the hand you choose.

Crippling Poison Crippling Poison

Lv 20Client data

Press: Crippling Poison on main hand, equipment slot 16
Shift: Crippling Poison on off hand, equipment slot 17

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#showtooltip Crippling Poison
/use Crippling Poison
/use [mod:shift] 17; 16

Notes and test 3

Carry the exact named item; higher ranks have different names, so edit both lines when upgrading.
Finish the application and confirm any replacement prompt yourself.
Forever permits poisons alongside temporary weapon enchants.

TestOut of combat with both weapons equipped, apply plain and then Shift after the first application finishes, and inspect each weapon.

Sources: Forever UI code · Crippling Poison tooltip · Blizzard rogue deep dive

Deadly Poison, either hand

Apply the poison item to the hand you choose.

Deadly Poison Deadly Poison

Lv 30Client data

Press: Deadly Poison on main hand, equipment slot 16
Shift: Deadly Poison on off hand, equipment slot 17

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#showtooltip Deadly Poison
/use Deadly Poison
/use [mod:shift] 17; 16

Notes and test 3

Carry the exact named item; higher ranks have different names, so edit both lines when upgrading.
Finish the application and confirm any replacement prompt yourself.
Forever permits poisons alongside temporary weapon enchants.

TestOut of combat with both weapons equipped, apply plain and then Shift after the first application finishes, and inspect each weapon.

Sources: Forever UI code · Deadly Poison tooltip · Blizzard rogue deep dive

Mind-numbing Poison, either hand

Apply the poison item to the hand you choose.

Mind-numbing Poison Mind-numbing Poison

Lv 24Client data

Press: Mind-numbing Poison on main hand, equipment slot 16
Shift: Mind-numbing Poison on off hand, equipment slot 17

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#showtooltip Mind-numbing Poison
/use Mind-numbing Poison
/use [mod:shift] 17; 16

Notes and test 3

Carry the exact named item; higher ranks have different names, so edit both lines when upgrading.
Finish the application and confirm any replacement prompt yourself.
Forever permits poisons alongside temporary weapon enchants.

TestOut of combat with both weapons equipped, apply plain and then Shift after the first application finishes, and inspect each weapon.

Sources: Forever UI code · Mind-numbing tooltip · Blizzard rogue deep dive

Spend the big buttons wisely

4 macros

Choose when each cooldown matters. Talent unlock levels assume ordinary points from level 10, all in one tree, without Legacy perks.

Cold Blood, Shift to finish

Arm the crit cooldown deliberately, then choose when to Eviscerate.

Eviscerate Cold Blood

Lv 25AssassinationClient data

Press: Cold Blood
Shift: Eviscerate on your living enemy target; does not activate Cold Blood

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#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift,harm,nodead] Eviscerate; [nomod:shift] Cold Blood

Notes and test 3

Build points first, press plain to arm Cold Blood, then Shift when ready.
Another eligible attack can consume Cold Blood before your Eviscerate.
Cold Blood is a row 3 talent: 5 x 3 + 10 = level 25 with 16 points in Assassination.

TestOut of combat, check the plain Cold Blood tooltip and Shift Eviscerate tooltip without spending the cooldown.

Sources: Blizzard rogue deep dive · Forever UI code · Forever talent data · Forever spellbook data

Blade Flurry, Shift to cancel

Choose when cleave begins and when it needs to stop.

Blade Flurry

Lv 30CombatClient data

Press: Activates Blade Flurry
Shift: Cancels Blade Flurry without casting it again

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#showtooltip Blade Flurry
/cancelaura [mod:shift] Blade Flurry
/cast [nomod:shift] Blade Flurry

Notes and test 3

Check nearby crowd control before starting cleave.
Cancelling the buff does not refund the cooldown.
Blade Flurry is a row 4 talent: 5 x 4 + 10 = level 30 with 21 points in Combat.

TestOut of combat, press plain to activate the buff and Shift to check that it disappears.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever talent data

Adrenaline Rush, Shift to run

Choose more Energy or more distance on the same key.

Sprint Adrenaline Rush

Lv 40 · after beta capCombatClient data

Press: Adrenaline Rush
Shift: Sprint instead of Adrenaline Rush

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#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Sprint; Adrenaline Rush

Notes and test 3

The macro never spends both cooldowns on one press.
Adrenaline Rush is beyond the beta cap; keep Sprint on its own key until then.
Adrenaline Rush is a row 6 talent: 5 x 6 + 10 = level 40 with 31 points in Combat.

TestOut of combat after learning the talent, check both tooltips before deliberately testing each buff.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever talent data · Forever spellbook data

Preparation, Shift to Vanish

Reset first, then choose a separate press for your escape.

Vanish Preparation

Lv 30SubtletyClient data

Press: Preparation
Shift: Stops melee attacks and attempts Vanish without casting Preparation

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#showtooltip
/stopattack [mod:shift]
/cast [mod:shift] Vanish; Preparation

Notes and test 3

Check which cooldowns Preparation resets on your current beta build.
Shift needs Vanish ready and its reagent available; it does not reset anything.
Preparation is a row 4 talent: 5 x 4 + 10 = level 30 with 21 points in Subtlety; Vanish is trained at 22.

TestOut of combat, use Sprint, wait for the global cooldown, then press plain to check its reset before testing Shift in a safe spot.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever talent data · Forever spellbook data

Pull from a safe distance

3 macros

Bring one enemy back to the tank. Learn the matching weapon skill and equip a usable ranged weapon first.

Throw, selected enemy

Stop melee attacks and deliberately pull your chosen enemy.

Throw

Lv 1Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks and attempts Throw on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Throw
/stopattack
/cast [harm,nodead] Throw

Notes and test 3

Learn the matching weapon skill and equip a usable ranged weapon.
Check range, ammunition or remaining thrown items, and a clear path before pulling.
The ability is listed at level 1 in client data; weapon training and equipment requirements still apply.

TestFrom out of combat, choose an isolated enemy at ranged distance and press once to check the pull.

Sources: Forever UI code · Throw tooltip

Shoot Bow, selected enemy

Stop melee attacks and deliberately pull your chosen enemy.

Shoot Bow

Lv 1Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks and attempts Shoot Bow on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Shoot Bow
/stopattack
/cast [harm,nodead] Shoot Bow

Notes and test 3

Learn the matching weapon skill and equip a usable ranged weapon.
Check range, ammunition or remaining thrown items, and a clear path before pulling.
The ability is listed at level 1 in client data; weapon training and equipment requirements still apply.

TestFrom out of combat, choose an isolated enemy at ranged distance and press once to check the pull.

Sources: Forever UI code · Shoot Bow tooltip

Shoot Gun, selected enemy

Stop melee attacks and deliberately pull your chosen enemy.

Shoot Gun

Lv 1Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks and attempts Shoot Gun on your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Shoot Gun
/stopattack
/cast [harm,nodead] Shoot Gun

Notes and test 3

Learn the matching weapon skill and equip a usable ranged weapon.
Check range, ammunition or remaining thrown items, and a clear path before pulling.
The ability is listed at level 1 in client data; weapon training and equipment requirements still apply.

TestFrom out of combat, choose an isolated enemy at ranged distance and press once to check the pull.

Sources: Forever UI code · Shoot Gun tooltip

Horde racials

3 macros

Forever lists Orc, Troll, Undead, and Windshaper Skyborne rogues. Use your own racials; simple actives belong in the no-macro list.

Will of the Forsaken, stop cast

Undead: interrupt your own action to attempt the racial escape.

Will of the Forsaken

Lv 1Client data

Press: Stops your current cast or channel, then attempts Will of the Forsaken

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#showtooltip Will of the Forsaken
/stopcasting
/cast Will of the Forsaken

Notes and test 2

This cancels a bandage or ranged cast even if the racial cannot help.
Blizzard lists Charm, Fear, and Sleep removal; do not assume an old immunity window.

TestOut of combat as an Undead rogue, start a ranged cast toward a distant enemy and press before it finishes to check that it stops.

Sources: Blizzard races and racials · Forever UI code

Cannibalize in a quiet spot

Undead: stop swinging before taking a corpse break.

Cannibalize

Lv 1Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks; attempts Cannibalize only while out of combat

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#showtooltip Cannibalize
/stopattack
/cast [nocombat] Cannibalize

Notes and test 2

Stand near an eligible corpse and let the effect finish.
The out-of-combat guard is a choice in this macro, not a claim about the racial's own restriction.

TestOut of combat as an Undead rogue, stand by an eligible corpse with missing health and press once.

Sources: Blizzard races and racials · Forever UI code

Rapid Regeneration, stop swinging

Troll: make a little room before using the health cooldown.

Rapid Regeneration

Lv 1Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks and attempts Rapid Regeneration

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#showtooltip Rapid Regeneration
/stopattack
/cast Rapid Regeneration

Notes and test 2

Blizzard lists recovery of 50% maximum health over time.
This does not stop enemy attacks or promise immunity; get somewhere safer.

TestOut of combat as a Troll with missing health, press once and watch recovery and the cooldown.

Sources: Blizzard races and racials · Forever UI code

No macro needed

Drag these straight from your spellbook to a bar. A macro adds nothing.

Blood FuryOrc: a direct racial damage cooldown; give the spellbook button its own key.
Shatter CurseOrc: keep the racial defensive on a direct key so you choose its timing.
BerserkingTroll: the attack-speed cooldown needs no target or modifier wrapper.
Walk on AirWindshaper Skyborne: use the glide directly when you need it.
SkysightWindshaper Skyborne: activate the run-speed blessing directly.
DistractThe normal ground circle works; the alternate Sap card is optional.
Disarm TrapTrain at 30 and use the spellbook action on the trap you choose.
Detect TrapsThe client spellbook lists it at 24; check its passive tooltip rather than making a cast macro.
Coup de GraceThe Forever tooltip lists a passive at 30, so there is nothing to press.

Make a little space

4 macros

Watch the enemy under your mouse and keep track of your selected target. Control buys time, but you still have to move.

Kick, Ctrl to ignore mouseover

Keep mouseover Kick but override it when your target matters more.

Kick

Lv 12Client data

Press: Kicks a living mouseover enemy, else your living enemy target
Ctrl: Kicks only your living enemy target; ignores mouseover

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#showtooltip Kick
/cast [mod:ctrl,harm,nodead][nomod:ctrl,@mouseover,harm,nodead][nomod:ctrl,harm,nodead] Kick

Notes and test 2

Ctrl with no living enemy selected does nothing.
This chooses a unit, not a cast; you judge when the interrupt is worth it.

TestOut of combat, select one distant enemy and hover another, then compare plain and Ctrl attempts while keeping your target selected.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Gouge a nearby pursuer

Stop swinging and choose a mouseover Gouge without retargeting.

Gouge

Lv 6Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks; Gouges a living mouseover enemy, else your living enemy target
Ctrl: Stops melee attacks; Gouges only your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Gouge
/stopattack
/cast [mod:ctrl,harm,nodead][nomod:ctrl,@mouseover,harm,nodead][nomod:ctrl,harm,nodead] Gouge

Notes and test 2

The enemy must be facing you and in melee range.
Existing bleeds and poisons can still break the pause.

TestOut of combat, select one distant enemy and hover another to check that Ctrl ignores the hovered unit.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data

Stealth, Shift to step out

Enter Stealth safely and leave it only when you ask.

Stealth

Lv 1Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks; enters Stealth only while visible and out of combat
Shift: Stops melee attacks and cancels Stealth without entering it again

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#showtooltip Stealth
/stopattack
/cancelaura [mod:shift] Stealth
/cast [nomod:shift,nostealth,nocombat] Stealth

Notes and test 2

Shift deliberately exposes you, including at the worst possible time.
Plain presses do not remove combat or damage effects that prevent Stealth.

TestOut of combat, press plain twice to stay hidden, then Shift to check that you become visible.

Sources: Forever UI code · Forever spellbook data · Community Stealth condition

Premeditation on your chosen opener

Put the setup points on the enemy you intend to open on.

Premeditation

Lv 25SubtletyClient data

Press: While stealthed, Premeditation on a living mouseover enemy, else your living enemy target

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#showtooltip Premeditation
/cast [stealth,@mouseover,harm,nodead][stealth,harm,nodead] Premeditation

Notes and test 3

Use or add to the points within 20 seconds.
A matching mouseover wins even if it is out of range.
Premeditation is a row 3 talent: 5 x 3 + 10 = level 25 with 16 points in Subtlety.

TestFrom out of combat and Stealth, hover an isolated eligible enemy in range and press once to check the added points.

Sources: Blizzard rogue deep dive · Forever UI code · Forever talent data

PvP in Forever

Honor buys PvP rewards. Player kills, battlegrounds, and PvP quests earn it; the October notes set its cap to 25,000.
Rank Points advance your rank toward High Warlord, with a weekly cap. Rank 2 unlocks the PvP trinket; rank 14 unlocks epic weapons.
Epic armor upgrades require the blue piece and an Emboldened Seal with a rank requirement. Check the vendor before saving for a shopping list.
Season journey tasks grant Honor and Rank Points; three tasks each season also grant Legacy Points. Weekly thresholds and decay need a launch check.
Darkspear Islands is 15 against 15 for levels 30 to 60. Hold four bases and carry the center flag to a base you own; first to 2,000 wins.
Queue at a capital battlemaster or the Darkspear Raiders base at Merchant Coast in the Barrens. Horde reputation rewards include equipment and an Exalted tabard quest.
Scout routes and call incoming enemies before starting a duel. An undefended base needs you more than the scoreboard does. Verify launch brackets rather than assuming beta queue rules.

Your PvP tools

Stealth (1)Approach an objective unseen and report defenders. Detection is still a risk; do not promise the team an invisible parade.
Sap (10)Disable a valid out-of-combat target before committing. Forever preserves Stealth; using it on a PvP-flagged target flags you.
Kick (12)Save Energy to stop a healer or dangerous caster. Successful interrupts lock that spell school for 5 seconds in Wowhead's Forever guide.
Gouge (6)A short facing-dependent timeout. Stop damage, including periodic damage, if you want it to last.
Sprint (10)Reach a teammate or retreat toward cover. Improved Sprint can remove movement impairment if talented; its client chance reaches 100% at 2/2.
Evasion (8)Buy time against weapon attacks. It is dodge support, not protection from every attack or spell (era).
Vanish (22)An escape or another opener when conditions allow. Damage over time can spoil a reset; verify this familiar Era limitation in Forever (era).
Cheap Shot (26)Start with a stun when control matters more than opening damage. Coordinate before spending both teammates' stuns together.
Kidney Shot (30)Spend points on a stun to protect a friend or finish a coordinated attack. Check target immunity and diminishing returns in game (era).
Blind (34)A later single-target timeout; unavailable at the beta cap. Keep damage off the target and test break conditions at launch (era).
Preparation (talent)Reset rogue cooldowns when the fight needs a second escape. The Subtlety 30 preset takes it; other level-30 presets do not.
Premeditation (talent)Set up two points before the opener. The client gives you 20 seconds to add to or spend them.

Sources: PvP progression · Darkspear Islands · Blizzard beta notes · Blizzard rogue deep dive · Forever talent data · Forever spellbook data.

Bandages and pocket help

3 macros

Gaming after bedtime goes better with supplies. Item requirements and shared cooldowns still apply.

Bandage, Alt for yourself

Help the ally under your mouse or patch yourself up.

Heavy Linen Bandage Heavy Linen Bandage

Lv 1Client data

Press: Stops melee attacks; bandages a living mouseover ally, else your living friendly target, else you
Alt: Stops melee attacks and bandages you, ignoring other units

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#showtooltip Heavy Linen Bandage
/stopattack
/use [mod:alt,@player][@mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][@player] Heavy Linen Bandage

Notes and test 4

Requires First Aid 20; change the name when upgrading bandages.
A matching ally out of range blocks the use instead of retrying on you.
Let the channel finish and check for any bandage debuff before trying again.
The item has no character-level requirement; First Aid 20 and a bandage in your bags are required.

TestOut of combat with missing health and First Aid 20, hold Alt and press once to check the self bandage.

Sources: Forever UI code · Bandage tooltip

Potion, Shift for Healthstone

Choose which pocket heal to spend.

Minor Healthstone Minor Healing Potion

Lv 1Client data

Press: Uses Minor Healing Potion
Shift: Uses Minor Healthstone instead of the potion

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#showtooltip
/use [mod:shift] Minor Healthstone; Minor Healing Potion

Notes and test 3

Carry the exact named items; ask a warlock for the Healthstone and update the names when upgrading.
The macro cannot judge health or bypass shared item cooldowns.
No character-level requirement on these basic items; the Healthstone must come from a warlock who can create it.

TestOut of combat with missing health, check both item tooltips and deliberately use the one you want to spend.

Sources: Forever UI code · Potion tooltip · Minor Healthstone data

Choose a trinket slot

Use one equipped on-use trinket without spending both.

Lv 1Client data

Press: Uses the upper trinket, equipment slot 13
Shift: Uses the lower trinket, equipment slot 14

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#showtooltip
/use [mod:shift] 14; 13

Notes and test 3

Equip an item with a usable on-use effect in the chosen slot.
Passive trinkets do nothing here; each item sets its own level requirement.
The macro has no spell unlock; the equipped trinket determines the actual minimum level.

TestOut of combat, equip a usable trinket and test its slot once after reading the tooltip.

Sources: Forever UI code

A small locksmith business

1 macro

Pick the lock, then collect the contents yourself. A macro does not supply missing skill or tools.

Pick an Ornate Bronze Lockbox

Point Pick Lock at the named box in your own bags.

Pick Lock Ornate Bronze Lockbox

Lv 16Client data

Press: Casts Pick Lock and attempts to apply it to an Ornate Bronze Lockbox in your bags

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#showtooltip Pick Lock
/cast Pick Lock
/use Ornate Bronze Lockbox

Notes and test 4

The level-16 unlock is era guidance; confirm the Forever trainer before planning around it.
Bring any required tools and enough lockpicking skill.
This selects a named box, not every locked container; change the item line for another box and loot separately.
Level 16 is the era training route; Forever trainer availability is unconfirmed in the class spell list.

TestOut of combat with Pick Lock learned and a locked Ornate Bronze Lockbox in your bags, press once and check that the lock is removed.

Sources: Forever UI code · Pick Lock data · Era lockpicking

Poisons and lockpicking

Poisons and lockpicking turn two sharp sticks into a useful rogue toolkit. Keep both skills current, and offer to open the box before the whole group flies home.

Get your tools ready

At 16, ask your rogue trainer for Pick Lock and the Horde Ratchet practice chain; keep Thieves' Tools in your bags (era route, retained in the Forever database).
Practice on the ship south of Ratchet before the level-20 poison chain; aim for 100 skill so the tower lock is not the surprise.
At 20, begin with Shenthul in Orgrimmar and finish through Serge Hinott in Tarren Mill; use the current quest text for beta objectives.
Visit a poison supplier near the rogue trainers for vials and ingredients, then train and make the poison ranks you can use (era crafting route).
Apply a poison to each weapon outside combat, inspect the weapon tooltips, and keep replacements in your bags.
Put Pick Lock, the poison profession panel and your application macro on a visible utility bar; test the macro in town before the run.

Poison and lock quick reference

InstantShort fights: direct damage.
DeadlyLong fights: stacking damage; available from 30 in the Forever item listing.
CripplingRunners and PvP movement control.
Mind-numbingEligible casters: slower casts, then Kick the dangerous one.
WoundTargets receiving healing; usually PvP.
LockpickingCarry tools, check the lock requirement, open it when the group is safe.

Keep both skills useful

Instant PoisonUse direct Nature damage for short fights when you do not need a utility poison. It is the simple starting damage choice; a faster off hand supplies frequent chances to apply it. Wowhead's beta guide reports poison scaling with attack power; treat its tuning as client evidence.
Deadly PoisonUse stacking damage over time on a target that lives long enough. The Forever item starts at 30; its ticks break damage-sensitive control in Era. Do not call the best hand pairing solved for every Forever build.
Crippling PoisonSlow runners and enemies you need to keep close. It is a practical leveling off-hand choice when another accidental pack would cost more time than extra damage saves.
Mind-numbing PoisonSlow eligible enemy casts when you need help controlling a caster. It does not replace Kick, and it does not make an uninterruptible spell interruptible.
Wound PoisonReduce healing received on targets that actually get healed. Usually a PvP or specific-enemy tool; ask before replacing a damage poison on a raid target.
Buy ingredients before bedtimePoison suppliers near the Cleft of Shadow in Orgrimmar and Rogues' Quarter in Undercity sell the Era ingredients and vials. Check the recipe and current vendor stock, then buy enough for the session.
Apply with one keyUse this client-supported pattern; it is not beta-tested. Press normally for main-hand Instant Poison, or hold Shift for off-hand Crippling Poison, and stand still until application finishes. Replace names with the exact ranks in your bags. Code: #showtooltip /use [mod:shift] Crippling Poison; Instant Poison /use [mod:shift] 17; 16
Check the actual weaponInspect both weapons after applying; cooldown-tracker support does not prove the enhancement display works. Blizzard's beta notes list enhancement tracking as a known issue. Reapply when duration or charges run out.
Keep the new stacking ruleForever permits poison alongside sharpening stones or weightstones. Wowhead's beta ability guide also lists poison with Windfury Totem; treat that interaction as client evidence and check it live instead of copying Era's empty-main-hand rule.
Practice in level bandsThe Era skill cap is five times your level, up to 300. Use the Ratchet practice locks around 1-100, then Battered Footlockers in the Barrens or Stonetalon around 100-150, Desolace around 150-200, and higher-level zones as the locks stay colored. Beta at 30 only supports a 150-era cap; verify live caps.
Use footlockers and junkboxesFor the Era route, try Angor Fortress in Badlands around 175-225, Searing Gorge around 225-250 and Tyr's Hand in Eastern Plaguelands around 250-300. Pickpocket eligible humanoids for junkboxes along the way. Check the lock's skill requirement rather than forcing a red lock.
Open boxes between pullsLoot boxes after unlocking them, keep the tools, and offer the group a free opening. A gray lock gives no skill in Era; ask guildmates to save useful locked boxes instead of grinding the same empty box.
Match the talents to the jobImproved Poisons saves charges and helps application in Forever. Assassination's Mutilate needs two daggers, and Venom is a poison buffing finisher, not Envenom; Venom is beyond the level-30 beta talent budget. Coup de Grace is a new level-30 client passive linking Eviscerate to Deadly Poison.

Sources: Blizzard · Blizzard forums · Wowhead · Wowhead · Wowhead · Wowhead · Warcraft Tavern · Warcraft Tavern · foreverdb.net.

Talents and Legacy

Talents begin at 10: 21 points at 30, 51 at 60. Splits read Assassination / Combat / Subtlety. These legal plans use the October 14 client tree and no Talented bonus. They are starting points, not measured winners. Level-60 plans are untested. Respec at a major-city class trainer; dual specialization opens at 40.

Legacy picks for a rogue

Legacy normally opens when an account character reaches 25. Profession and exploration challenges can open it earlier. Earn account points, then spend them separately on each character, with a 16-point spending cap at launch. Buy only what your earned points cover.

Well RestedFaster rested XP and a larger rested bank. The client requires 5/5 before Talented. Bedtime has become a build choice.5 points
TalentedClient ranks start talents at levels 9/8/7/6/5. At 5/5 you have 26 points at 30; the total still caps at 51.5 points
Thrill of AdventureOutdoor qualifying kills return health over time. Its mana return does nothing for rogues, and it grants no Energy.5 points
Field MedicineShortens Recently Bandaged outside dungeons, raids, and battlegrounds. One rank completes this leveling budget.1 point
Working OvertimeAn alternative profession plan: improves skill-up chance, including Lockpicking. Replace other perks to stay within your budget.1 to 5 points

Ranks, costs, and prerequisites are client data from foreverdb.net. The first four picks cost 16 points. October 8 gave beta testers 16 points; launch requires earning them. Talented adds no points at 60.

Builds at 30, the beta cap

Assassination daggers

21/0/0

Assassination21

Combat0

Subtlety0

Reach Mutilate at 30 with two daggers and poison support. Before that, Sinister Strike works from the front; use Backstab when you can reach behind. This is a client-tree plan, not a damage ranking.

Legacy: No Legacy required. With Talented 5/5, add Improved Poisons 1, Vigor 2, Lethality 1, and Seal Fate 1 for 26/0/0.

10-14	Malice 5/5
15-17	Improved Slice and Dice 3/3
18-19	Ruthlessness 2/3
20	Relentless Strikes 1/1
21-24	Lethality 4/5
25	Cold Blood 1/1
26-29	Improved Poisons 4/5
30	Mutilate 1/1

Mutilate is the 21st Assassination point.
Relentless Strikes rewards larger finishers.
Cold Blood supports planned burst.

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Combat questing

0/21/0

Assassination0

Combat21

Subtlety0

A forgiving solo route with cheaper Sinister Strike, Riposte, and shorter escape cooldowns. Blade Flurry arrives at 30 for a planned second enemy.

Legacy: No Legacy required. With Talented 5/5, add Dual Wield Specialization 1 and Hack and Slash 4 for 0/26/0.

10-11	Improved Sinister Strike 2/2
12-14	Improved Eviscerate 3/3
15-17	Precision 3/3
18-20	Deflection 3/3
21	Riposte 1/1
22-23	Endurance 2/2
24	Improved Sprint 1/2
25	Flawless Execution 1/1
26-29	Dual Wield Specialization 4/5
30	Blade Flurry 1/1

Riposte requires Deflection 3/3.
Flawless Execution makes Eviscerate cheaper.
Keep Blade Flurry away from controlled enemies.

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Subtlety control

0/0/21

Assassination0

Combat0

Subtlety21

Stealth, openers, and a second chance when dinner interrupts the pull. Preparation is the 21st point; Hemorrhage is left out at 30 to keep that reset.

Legacy: No Legacy required. With Talented 5/5, add Hemorrhage 1, Dirty Deeds 2, Camouflage 1, and Dirty Tricks 1 for 0/0/26.

10-12	Camouflage 3/5
13-14	Opportunity 2/2
15-16	Elusiveness 2/2
17-19	Improved Ambush 3/3
20	Ghostly Strike 1/1
21-23	Initiative 3/3
24	Dirty Tricks 1/2
25	Premeditation 1/1
26-28	Serrated Blades 3/3
29	Camouflage 4/5
30	Preparation 1/1

Premeditation arrives at 25 on this path.
Preparation arrives at 30.
Use Ghostly Strike between openers.

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Combat dungeon daggers

0/21/0

Assassination0

Combat21

Subtlety0

For a dagger rogue whose tank gives them access to the enemy's back. Puncturing Wounds supports Backstab; this route trades cheaper Sinister Strike and escape talents for dagger damage.

Legacy: No Legacy required. With Talented 5/5, add Hack and Slash 5/5 for 0/26/0.

10-12	Improved Eviscerate 3/3
13-14	Lightning Reflexes 2/5
15-17	Puncturing Wounds 3/3
18-20	Precision 3/3
21-23	Deflection 3/3
24	Riposte 1/1
25-29	Dual Wield Specialization 5/5
30	Blade Flurry 1/1

Backstab needs a main-hand dagger and rear access.
Puncturing Wounds adds crit and extra-point chances.
Blade Flurry needs a safe second target.

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Plans for 60

Assassination poison plan Untested

31/18/2

Assassination31

Combat18

Subtlety2

Untested plan for two daggers: maintain useful Slice and Dice and Venom uptime, then compare damage finishers. Puncturing Wounds and Opportunity support Mutilate; raid poison immunities still need checking.

10-19	Malice 5/5, Improved Slice and Dice 3/3, Ruthlessness 2/3
20-29	Relentless Strikes 1/1, Lethality 4/5, Cold Blood 1/1, Improved Poisons 4/5
30-39	Mutilate 1/1, Improved Poisons 5/5, Vigor 2/2, Lethality 5/5, Seal Fate 5/5
40-49	Venom 1/1, Improved Sinister Strike 2/2, Improved Eviscerate 3/3, Precision 3/3, Puncturing Wounds 1/3
50-59	Puncturing Wounds 3/3, Endurance 2/2, Improved Sprint 2/2, Dual Wield Specialization 3/5, Opportunity 1/2
60	Opportunity 2/2

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Combat sustained damage Untested

20/31/0

Assassination20

Combat31

Subtlety0

Untested general damage plan with Adrenaline Rush, Blade Flurry, Weapon Expertise, and cheaper finishers. Hack and Slash is 3/5 here; review the defensive leveling choices before settling on a raid build.

10-19	Improved Sinister Strike 2/2, Improved Eviscerate 3/3, Precision 3/3, Deflection 2/3
20-29	Deflection 3/3, Riposte 1/1, Endurance 2/2, Improved Sprint 1/2, Flawless Execution 1/1, Dual Wield Specialization 4/5
30-39	Blade Flurry 1/1, Dual Wield Specialization 5/5, Hack and Slash 3/5, Weapon Expertise 2/2, Aggression 3/3
40-49	Adrenaline Rush 1/1, Malice 5/5, Ruthlessness 3/3, Improved Slice and Dice 1/3
50-59	Improved Slice and Dice 2/3, Relentless Strikes 1/1, Lethality 5/5, Cold Blood 1/1, Improved Expose Armor 2/2
60	Improved Slice and Dice 3/3

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Subtlety bleed and control Untested

20/0/31

Assassination20

Combat0

Subtlety31

Untested plan with Hemorrhage, Preparation, Quietus, and Thousand Cuts. Refresh Hemorrhage before a useful Rupture, then use its ticks to discount the next builder. Keep damage over time off enemies you need to control.

10-19	Camouflage 3/5, Opportunity 2/2, Elusiveness 2/2, Improved Ambush 3/3
20-29	Ghostly Strike 1/1, Initiative 3/3, Dirty Tricks 1/2, Premeditation 1/1, Serrated Blades 3/3, Camouflage 4/5
30-39	Preparation 1/1, Hemorrhage 1/1, Dirty Deeds 2/2, Camouflage 5/5, Quietus 5/5
40-49	Thousand Cuts 1/1, Malice 5/5, Ruthlessness 3/3, Improved Slice and Dice 1/3
50-59	Improved Slice and Dice 2/3, Relentless Strikes 1/1, Lethality 5/5, Cold Blood 1/1, Improved Expose Armor 2/2
60	Improved Slice and Dice 3/3

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Sources: Blizzard rogue deep dive · Forever talent data · Blizzard Legacy article · Legacy calculator · Blizzard beta notes · Forever spellbook data. Talents can change before launch; check the trainer's preview.

Talent planner

Forever's rogue trees, straight from Wowhead's data for the live beta build. Click a talent to add a point; right-click or Shift+click takes one back. On a phone, tap a talent to read it and tap again to add a point, or use the buttons under the trees.

Level Talented perk +5 points Load a build

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Build code

Paste a code to load it. A code reads level, Talented (T or N), then each tree's ranks, for example 30.N.2033.0.55.

Assassination

Combat

Subtlety

Talent data: Wowhead's Forever talent calculator, fetched 2026-10-14. Required level counts one point a level from 10 (from 5 with Talented). Builds come from the plans above.

Leveling and dungeons

Quest close to your level, keep your weapons current, and leave room for poisons and bandages. The beta stops at 30; the road to 60 uses the shared Horde route with Era planning where Forever is untested.

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Horde route, 1 to 60

Finish your starting zone, visit your rogue trainer, then follow these zones in order. Take dungeon quests before leaving town, and pack a dagger if you want Backstab.

Levels	Quest in	Run	Forever
1 to 10	Orc and Troll: Valley of Trials, then Sen'jin Village and Razor Hill in Durotar. Undead: Deathknell, then Brill in Tirisfal Glades. Horde Skyborne rogues use their own starting experience before joining this route.	None yet.	Tirisfal's Shadowvale and Bandarion Keep quests were raised in level on October 8.
10 to 20	The Barrens from Durotar, or Silverpine Forest from Tirisfal.	Ragefire Chasm 13 to 18, Ruins of Lordaeron 16 to 22, Wailing Caverns from 17.	Ruins of Lordaeron is new and has Horde quests, swords and daggers.
20 to 30	The Barrens, Stonetalon Mountains, Ashenvale and Hillsbrad Foothills.	Shadowfang Keep, Blackfathom Deeps, Excavation Site: Wetlands, City of Dalaran, Scarlet Monastery Graveyard.	The beta stops at 30. Excavation Site and Dalaran are new. The beta opens Razorfen Downs at 25 and Uldaman at 30.
30 to 40	Stranglethorn Vale, Arathi Highlands, Desolace and Thousand Needles. The new Riverglades from about 35.	Scarlet Monastery wings, Razorfen Kraul, Gnomeregan, The Drowned City.	The Desolace centaur chains now need level 35. Riverglades and The Drowned City are new and not in the beta yet.
40 to 50	Tanaris, Feralas, the Hinterlands, Badlands and Searing Gorge. Riverglades first, if it is live.	Krol'dok Stronghold, Razorfen Downs, Uldaman, Zul'Farrak, Maraudon, Alcaz Prison.	Krol'dok Stronghold and Alcaz Prison are new, announced and not yet playable.
50 to 60	Un'Goro Crater, Felwood, Western and Eastern Plaguelands, Burning Steppes and Winterspring.	Sunken Temple, Blackrock Depths, Blackrock Spire, Dire Maul, Stratholme, Scholomance, Blackmaw Hold, Shaper's Terrace.	Blackmaw Hold and Shaper's Terrace are new and announced. Level 60 quests and rewards are unconfirmed.

Dungeons by level

These are recommended party levels, not entry limits. Pick up the same Horde dungeon quests as the other dads, then check these rogue rewards; item stats and quest access can change during beta.

Dungeon	Levels	Horde quests	Rogue loot
Ragefire Chasm ChangedOrgrimmar, Cleft of Shadow	13-18	Thrall, Orgrimmar: Hidden Enemies.	Cursed Felblade from Taragaman for Combat main hand; Chanting Blade from Jergosh for an early dagger build. Listed in Forever; compare the current damage tooltip.
The Hall of Thanes New in ForeverOld Ironforge, under the High Seat	13-18	An Ancient Grudge, inside; whether Horde can take it is unverified (beta sources disagree). Horde have to cross hostile Ironforge to get in.	Fang of Magmatus is a main-hand dagger option for Backstab; Flamefist Grips are leather to compare for all specs. Listed in Forever, but the trip through Ironforge is a long one for Horde.
Ruins of Lordaeron New in ForeverAbove Undercity, Tirisfal Glades	16-22	Deathguard Kristof near Brill: The Wrath of Rath'mael, one of six Horde quest lines.	Vileblood Scimitar from Viktor the Vile for Combat; Meathook Slicer from The Baron for daggers. Both are Forever database picks.
Wailing Caverns ChangedThe Barrens, southwest of the Crossroads	17-24	Nara Wildmane, Thunder Bluff: Leaders of the Fang, after the oasis chain.	Wingblade from Leaders of the Fang for Combat; Stinging Viper from Lord Pythas is a mace alternative. Tail Spike from Skum is a dagger option. These Era sources remain useful; compare changed Forever tooltips.
Shadowfang Keep Era dataSilverpine Forest, above Pyrewood	22-30	Dalar Dawnweaver, the Sepulcher: Arugal Must Die. Keeper Bel'dugur, Undercity: The Book of Ur.	Meteor Shard from Arugal for Backstab; Butcher's Slicer from Razorclaw for Combat. Assassin's Blade is a rare alternative. Era drop sources; Forever has retuned several weapons.
Blackfathom DeepsZoram Strand, Ashenvale	24-32	Je'neu Sancrea, Zoram'gar Outpost: Blackfathom Villainy, Trouble in the Deeps.	Bite of Serra'kis for daggers; Darkwater Talwar for Combat main hand. Both appear in Forever loot lists. Outlaw Sabre is a separate Horde Baron Aquanis quest reward; check its current level requirement.
Excavation Site: Wetlands New in ForeverWhelgar's Excavation Site, Wetlands	26-31	A Titan Relic drop starts Elder Knowledge; Bashana Runetotem, Thunder Bluff: Earthen Echo.	Serrated Raptor Claw from Changing Tastes for a fast dagger off hand in either track; Golemsight Long Gun from Relic Guardian is a ranged-slot candidate. Both are Forever listings; train the weapon skill first.
Scarlet Monastery: Graveyard Era dataNortheast Tirisfal Glades	26-36	Vorrel Sengutz, inside: Vorrel's Revenge.	Ironspine's Fist for Combat mace users; Torturing Poker from Interrogator Vishas for daggers. Era drops, with changed Forever dagger tooltips.
City of Dalaran New in ForeverAlterac Mountains, by Hillsbrad	28-33	Melisara, Tarren Mill: The Grave Knight. Doctor Martin Felben, Undercity: Source of Power.	Slitherwrap Girdle and Unstable Crystalline Shoulderpads are leather candidates for all specs in the Forever loot list. Their current rogue ranking is unverified; compare Agility, attack power and hit before rolling.
Gnomeregan Era dataDun Morogh	29-38	Nogg, Orgrimmar: Rig Wars.	Triprunner Dungarees from Rig Wars for every spec; Toxic Revenger from Viscous Fallout for Backstab. The dagger has a damaging proc, so check its current behavior near crowd control. Era sources, changed Forever dagger effects.
Scarlet Monastery: Library Era dataNortheast Tirisfal Glades	29-39	Sage Truthseeker, Thunder Bluff: Compendium of the Fallen (Orc, Tauren and Troll can take it; Undead can't).	Ruby-Adorned Blade from the solo Eye of Bhossca chain for Combat, reported in Forever. It is not a group boss drop. No major Era boss weapon upgrade for rogues here.
Razorfen Kraul Era dataSouthern Barrens	30-40	Auld Stonespire, Thunder Bluff: A Vengeful Fate.	Thornspike from Aggem Thorncurse for daggers; Mantle of Thieves is a rare leather shoulder option for all specs. Era sources, with a retuned Forever dagger; compare current tooltips.
Scarlet Monastery: Armory Era dataNortheast Tirisfal Glades	32-42	Varimathras, Undercity: Into the Scarlet Monastery.	Herod does not offer a strong Era leather or one-handed rogue target. Finish the Horde chain for Sword of Omen, a Combat weapon; the reward also requires the other named bosses.
Scarlet Monastery: Cathedral Era dataNortheast Tirisfal Glades	35-45	Into the Scarlet Monastery. The Scarlet Key from the Library opens the door.	Sword of Omen from Into the Scarlet Monastery for Combat. No standout Era boss dagger; complete the chain rather than chasing caster gear.
The Drowned City New in ForeverOff the Stranglethorn Vale coast	35-40	Not known yet.	Rogue loot is not verified yet. Keep your current Combat or dagger pair until real tooltips are available.
Razorfen Downs Era dataSouthern Barrens. The beta lets you in from 25	40-50	Andrew Brownell, Undercity: Bring the End.	Vanquisher's Sword from Bring the End for Combat; Coldrage Dagger from Amnennar the Coldbringer for daggers. Era sources, with retuned Forever dagger stats; compare against your current pair.
Krol'dok Stronghold New in ForeverRiverglades	40-45	Not known yet.	Rogue loot is not verified yet. No promised sword, mace or dagger upgrade for either track.
Uldaman Era dataBadlands. The beta lets you in from 30	42-52	Patrick Garrett, Undercity: Reclaimed Treasures.	The Jackhammer from rare zone drops for Combat maces; Stonevault Shiv is a dagger candidate. Both are Era sources, and neither is a guaranteed drop or confirmed Forever best pick.
Zul'Farrak Era dataNorthwest Tanaris	44-54	Gadgetzan: Troll Temper, Divino-matic Rod.	Sang'thraze the Deflector and Jang'thraze the Protector are Era Combat sword candidates. Keep them separate: Sul'thraze the Lasher is two-handed. Big Bad Pauldrons are leather to compare for all specs.
Maraudon Era dataDesolace, three wings	45-57	Shadowprey Village: Vyletongue Corruption; Selendra: Corruption of Earth and Seed.	Thrash Blade from Corruption of Earth and Seed for Combat; Blackstone Ring from Princess Theradras for every spec. Both are Era gearing targets; no guaranteed Forever ranking above the beta cap.
Alcaz Prison New in ForeverDustwallow Marsh	48-53	Not known yet.	Rogue loot is not verified yet. Check actual drops for both tracks before planning repeat runs.
Sunken Temple Era dataSwamp of Sorrows	50-60	Rogue trainer at 50, then Lord Jorach Ravenholdt: A Simple Request chain, ending in The Azure Key. Era chain; Forever access unverified.	Darkwater Cape and Whisperwalk Boots from the rogue quest The Azure Key for all specs; Dire Nail is an Era dagger drop with random stats. Forever level-60 availability is unverified.
Blackrock Depths Era dataBlackrock Mountain	52-60	Kargath: Commander Gor'shak chain. Attunement to the Core.	Hand of Justice for all specs; Barman Shanker from Plugger Spazzring for Backstab, and Ironfoe from Emperor Dagran Thaurissan for Combat maces. Era sources; the trinket moved between bosses across Classic phases, so verify the active loot table.
Blackmaw Hold New in ForeverNorth Azshara	55-60	Not known yet.	Rogue loot is not verified yet. Keep Era dungeon plans as backups for either weapon track.
Lower Blackrock Spire Era dataBlackrock Mountain	55-60	Warlord Goretooth, Kargath: Warlord's Command.	Blackcrow and Shadowcraft Gloves from Shadow Hunter Vosh'gajin suit every spec. Both are Era dungeon targets; compare live Forever stats before replacing hit gear.
Dire Maul Era dataFeralas, three wings	55-60	Camp Mojache quests; the rogue book Garona: A Study on Stealth and Treachery. Era book reward; Forever access unverified.	Tarnished Elven Ring from the North tribute chest for all specs; Distracting Dagger from Prince Tortheldrin for a dagger off hand. Royal Seal of Eldre'Thalas from Garona: A Study on Stealth and Treachery is the rogue book reward. Era picks; old dagger-skill value needs Forever testing.
Upper Blackrock Spire Era dataBlackrock Mountain	58-60	Thrall, Orgrimmar: For The Horde!	Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge main hand plus Dal'Rend's Tribal Guardian off hand for Combat; Felstriker for daggers; Truestrike Shoulders and Blackhand's Breadth from For The Horde! for all specs. Era sources.
Scholomance Era dataCaer Darrow, Western Plaguelands	58-60	Eva Sarkhoff, outside: the Krastinov chain.	Mirah's Song from Kirtonos the Herald for Combat off hand; Cadaverous Armor for all specs. Shadowcraft Boots from Rattlegore are another Era all-spec target.
Stratholme Era dataEastern Plaguelands, two wings	58-60	Tirion Fordring's chain; Betina Bigglezink: The Active Agent.	Mask of the Unforgiven for all specs; Cape of the Black Baron from Baron Rivendare for all specs; Bonescraper from Baron Rivendare for dagger off hand. Era targets, not confirmed Forever rankings.
Shaper's Terrace New in ForeverUn'Goro Crater	58-60	Not known yet.	Rogue loot is not verified yet. No confirmed final weapon for Combat or Backstab.

Recommended party levels, not entry limits. Loot notes say which spec each item suits; new Forever dungeons haven't shown all their loot yet, so treat those as a first look.

Quest rewards not to miss

These levels are practical starting points or unlock levels, not promises that you can solo the finish. Class tools count as rewards too; most older rewards below remain Era plans until checked in Forever. Horde Skyborne class-quest routing is unverified; follow the current trainer rather than assuming the Orc or Undead branch.

Level and quest	Starts	Reward	Why
10The Shattered Hand (Orc and Troll) Era data	Kaplak, Razor Hill, then Therzok, Cleft of Shadow, Orgrimmar	Blade of Cunning	Follow the Tazan satchel chain and pickpocket Gamon for the key. A free dagger while your starter weapon is getting tired; the Forever database retains the quest.
10The Deathstalkers (Undead) Era data	Marion Call, Brill, then Mennet Carkad, Undercity	Blade of Cunning	Follow the Astor Hadren and ledger chain to Varimathras. This is the Undead alternative, not another quest to do after The Shattered Hand.
16Plundering the Plunderers Era data	Shenthul and Zando'zan, Orgrimmar, then Wrenix the Wretched, Ratchet	Thistle Tea and a place to practice Lockpicking	Train Pick Lock, take the tools and E.C.A.C. from the apparatus, and practice aboard the ship south of Ratchet. Blizzard added map markers in Forever; do not mistake that update for a new quest.
16Tools of the Trade (Undead route) Era data	Mennet Carkad, Rogues' Quarter, Undercity	Lockpicking practice and experience	Take tools from Estelle Gendry, then retrieve the Dalaran Status Report in Ambermill. The quest is still listed in Forever; bring the actual Pick Lock skill.
18Leaders of the Fang Era data	Nara Wildmane, Thunder Bluff, after the oasis chain	Wingblade	A dependable Combat sword from Wailing Caverns. Choose it over Crescent Staff, which rogues cannot equip.
20The Shattered Salute, Deep Cover, Mission: Possible But Not Probable, Hinott's Assistance Era data	Shenthul, Orgrimmar; Taskmaster Fizzule, Sludge Fen; Serge Hinott, Tarren Mill	Poisons training and Recipe: Thistle Tea along the chain	Practice Lockpicking toward 100 first. Fire the quest flare gun twice and salute Fizzule as instructed; bring help for Gallywix. Finish Hinott's follow-up rather than keeping the nasty debuff all week. Follow current quest text if beta objectives differ.
20Goblin Lockpicks and The Horn of Xelthos New in Forever	Mail from C, then the dead drop near Pyrewood Village; Veenix in Stonetalon helps with the gate	Breaching Charge, then Pyrewood Signet Ring	The Forever-listed solo Shadowfang job rewards a ring in beta reports after a later mail and return to the cache. Do the infiltration alone. Old rune rewards on database pages are not promised here.
24Changing Tastes New in Forever	Borstan, Cooking area, the Drag, Orgrimmar	Serrated Raptor Claw or Satchel of Potions; cooking recipe and food	The dagger is a guaranteed fast off-hand option for either track after Excavation Site: Wetlands. The Forever database lists the choices; pick the dagger if you need the upgrade.
24What's the Big Idea? New in Forever	Myrokos Silentform, Ravenholdt Manor, after access to Ravenholdt	Ravenholdt reputation and experience; no verified gear reward	A new Forever quest asks you to pickpocket Barton's report near Strahnbrad. It is class story and practice, not a reason to promise a secret weapon; the database lists a 24 minimum but level-36 difficulty.
25Rig Wars Era data	Nogg, Orgrimmar	Triprunner Dungarees	Strong Agility legs for every spec from Gnomeregan. Go with an appropriately leveled group rather than reading the minimum level as a solo recommendation.
30The Eye of Bhossca New in Forever	Later mail from C after The Horn of Xelthos, then the Pyrewood dead drop	Ruby-Adorned Blade	A Forever Combat sword from a solo Scarlet Monastery infiltration. The database lists minimum 25, but beta reports place the mail at 30; check your mailbox in a capital. The reward arrives through another cache visit, not a boss roll.
33Into the Scarlet Monastery Era data	Varimathras, Undercity, after its prerequisites	Sword of Omen	A reliable Combat sword when the group clears the required named bosses. Do not choose the caster off-hand for your rogue.
37Bring the End Era data	Andrew Brownell, Undercity	Vanquisher's Sword	Finish Razorfen Downs for a useful Combat pair with Sword of Omen. The beta entry-level change does not prove this high-level reward is obtainable at 25.
45Corruption of Earth and Seed Era data	Selendra, near Shadowprey Village, Desolace	Thrash Blade	A major Combat main-hand upgrade from Maraudon. Keep a faster off hand; you do not need two slow weapons.
50The Azure Key, after A Simple Request Era data	Rogue trainer, then Lord Jorach Ravenholdt and Archmage Xylem	Darkwater Cape, Whisperwalk Boots or Ebon Mask	Pick the piece that fixes your weakest slot. The Sunken Temple class chain suits all specs; Forever access above the beta cap is unverified.
55In Dreams, after Tirion Fordring's chain Era data	Tirion Fordring, Eastern Plaguelands	Mark of Fordring	An attack-power and crit necklace for all specs. This is the physical reward, not Fordring's healing ring; plan the escort with friends.
55For The Horde! Era data	Thrall, Orgrimmar, after Warlord's Command and Eitrigg steps	Blackhand's Breadth	A useful crit trinket for all specs from killing Rend in Upper Blackrock Spire. Keep following the attunement chain if the live entry requirements call for it.
55Kirtonos the Herald, after Doctor Theolen Krastinov and Krastinov's Bag of Horrors Era data	Eva Sarkhoff, outside Scholomance, Caer Darrow	Mirah's Song	A dependable Combat off hand from the early Scholomance quest chain. Finish Eva's earlier steps and summon Kirtonos with Blood of Innocents; you do not need the later Ras Frostwhisper chain for this sword.
60Garona: A Study on Stealth and Treachery Era data	Rogue class book, then Lorekeeper Kildrath, Dire Maul library	Royal Seal of Eldre'Thalas	A class trinket for every spec. Check the current reward before buying the book; its Era hit value is useful, but Forever tuning is unverified.

Is there a Horde Wintersaber?

Not confirmed. No source shows a Desolace raptor grind in Forever. The Horde counterpart players remember is the Venomhide Ravasaur from Un'Goro Crater, which arrived in Wrath of the Lich King. Forever's database lists the mount and its faction, but not how to get them.

Mount: Whistle of the Venomhide Ravasaur
Faction: Ravasaur Trainers
Started, in Wrath: Mor'vek, southeast Un'Goro Crater
Forever status: In the database; how to get it is unknown

Don't plan around Wrath's 20-day quest chain yet. PvP ranks also unlock mounts in Forever. If Blizzard announces a Horde reputation mount before launch, this panel gets updated.

Training and gold

Every level with something new is listed, from 1 to 60. Rogues train every two levels; poisons come from a class quest around 20, and Lockpicking rises with practice.

Horde rogue trainers

OrgrimmarGest, Ormok and Shenthul, Cleft of Shadow
Thunder BluffBoarton Shadetotem, the city's class quarter
UndercityCarolyn Ward, Gregory Charles and Miles Dexter, Rogues' Quarter
DurotarKaplak and Rwag, Valley of Trials; Razor Hill
Stranglethorn ValeIan Strom, a town in the zone; see the map
Tirisfal GladesDavid Trias and Marion Call, Deathknell; Brill
Zephra's IsleAkeri Duskblade, Eltheen Nightbreeze and Miriaan Mistblade, Forever's new starting isle

Ranks you can skip

Sinister Strike and Eviscerate first: they are your whole fight early on.
Daggers? Backstab ranks matter more than Sinister Strike.
Buy Kick and Gouge ranks before dungeons.
After you unlock poisons, learn the recipes from your trainer and buy the ingredients from a poison supplier: keep gold for both after 20.
If gold is tight before your mount, delay Distract and Feint ranks, never Eviscerate.

What to train, by level

Level	New at the trainer	Can wait
1	Eviscerate, Sinister Strike, Stealth.	Nothing
4	Backstab, Pick Pocket.	Nothing
6	Gouge, Sinister Strike 2.	Nothing
8	Evasion, Eviscerate 2.	Nothing
10	Sap, Slice and Dice, Sprint.	Nothing
12	Backstab 2, Kick.	Backstab 2, unless you use daggers.
14	Expose Armor, Garrote, Sinister Strike 3.	Nothing
16	Eviscerate 3, Feint.	Nothing
18	Ambush, Gouge 2.	Nothing
20	Backstab 3, Rupture, Stealth 2.	Backstab 3, unless you use daggers.
22	Distract, Garrote 2, Sinister Strike 4, Vanish.	Garrote 2, if you prefer stun openers.
24	Detect Traps, Eviscerate 4.	Nothing
26	Ambush 2, Cheap Shot, Expose Armor 2, Kick 2.	Ambush 2, unless you use daggers; Expose Armor 2, unless assigned armor duty.
28	Backstab 4, Feint 2, Rupture 2, Sap 2.	Backstab 4, unless you use daggers; Rupture 2, if fights end quickly.
30	Coup de Grace, Disarm Trap, Garrote 3, Kidney Shot, Sinister Strike 5.	Garrote 3, if you prefer stun openers.
32	Eviscerate 5, Gouge 3.	Nothing
34	Ambush 3, Blind, Sprint 2.	Ambush 3, unless you use daggers.
36	Backstab 5, Expose Armor 3, Rupture 3.	Backstab 5, unless you use daggers; Expose Armor 3, unless assigned armor duty; Rupture 3, if fights end quickly.
38	Garrote 4, Sinister Strike 6.	Garrote 4, if you prefer stun openers.
40	Eviscerate 6, Feint 3, Mutilate 2, Safe Fall, Stealth 3.	Nothing
42	Ambush 4, Kick 3, Slice and Dice 2, Vanish 2.	Ambush 4, unless you use daggers.
44	Backstab 6, Rupture 4.	Backstab 6, unless you use daggers; Rupture 4, if fights end quickly.
46	Expose Armor 4, Garrote 5, Gouge 4, Sinister Strike 7.	Expose Armor 4, unless assigned armor duty; Garrote 5, if you prefer stun openers.
48	Eviscerate 7, Sap 3.	Nothing
50	Ambush 5, Kidney Shot 2, Mutilate 3.	Ambush 5, unless you use daggers.
52	Backstab 7, Feint 4, Rupture 5.	Backstab 7, unless you use daggers; Rupture 5, if fights end quickly.
54	Garrote 6, Sinister Strike 8.	Garrote 6, if you prefer stun openers.
56	Eviscerate 8, Expose Armor 5.	Expose Armor 5, unless assigned armor duty.
58	Ambush 6, Kick 4, Sprint 3.	Ambush 6, unless you use daggers.
60	Backstab 8, Eviscerate 9, Feint 5, Gouge 5, Mutilate 4, Rupture 6, Stealth 4.	Backstab 8, unless you use daggers; Rupture 6, if fights end quickly.

From Wowhead's Forever rogue ability list, fetched 2026-10-15, Horde spells only. Talent abilities gain later ranks from the trainer. Also ask your trainer for Dual Wield before you equip two weapons at 10, and for Pick Lock before the lockpicking quests; their Forever levels aren't confirmed, so they aren't in the table.

Your first mount

Level: 40 for normal mounts in Forever's item data; the riding requirement isn't confirmed
Save up: About 100g: Era was 20g riding plus 80g for the mount
Troll raptors: Zjolnir, Sen'jin Village, Durotar
Undead horses: Zachariah Post, Brill, Tirisfal Glades

Forever's tooltips mark several mounts as account-wide and usable by any race of your faction. Costs and reputation rules aren't confirmed. Epic mounts at 60 cost 1,000g in Era.

Sources: Wowhead datamine · Blizzard beta notes · Blizzard rogue deep dive. Trainer costs aren't confirmed yet; check the trainer.

Gear and consumables

Your weapons do the heavy lifting. Buy useful upgrades, keep your poisons ready, and leave enough gold for training. These are practical Horde picks for Dad Bods, with beta tooltips separated from Era plans. Gaming after bedtime still leaves room for a good dagger.

What stats matter, and when

Stage	What to stack	Why
Leveling 1 to 19	Main-hand weapon DPS and damage range, then Agility and Stamina	In Classic Era, a slow main hand makes Sinister Strike hit harder. A little health saves a lot of corpse running.
Leveling 20 to 30	Two useful weapons, Agility, attack power and enough Stamina	In Classic Era, fast off-hands help apply poisons. Forever adds Mutilate at 21 Assassination points, available at 30. It requires two daggers; a sword score cannot change that.
Leveling 31 to 59	Weapon upgrades, Agility, attack power, then hit and crit when available	In Classic Era, finish quests for reliable weapons before paying auction-house prices. Above the beta cap, compare Forever tooltips as they become available.
Melee DPS at 60	Weapons that fit your talents; hit, Agility, attack power and crit	In Classic Era, hit helps special attacks and dual-wield swings differently. Forever changes Precision to cover poisons and Weapon Expertise to reduce dodge and parry. Do not import an Era weapon-skill cap or Orc axe-skill bonus.

Gear to aim for by 30

All listed equip requirements are 30 or lower. Quest minimums and high-level bosses can still make a piece hard to earn. Numeric values follow Forever tooltips, including the local cached Wowhead responses. New Brawler crafts bind on pickup. Defaults suit sword leveling; Mutilate needs two daggers. Two-Hand stays empty because rogues cannot equip two-handed weapons. Trinkets are utility options; Minor Recombobulator needs Engineering 140.

Slot	Item	Where	Stats
Head	Brawler's Leather Hood New in Forever	Leatherworking 100; self-craft; Horde supply-camp pattern	76 Armor, +8 Agility, +10 Stamina; requires 20
Head (Engineering alternative)	Green Tinted Goggles	Engineering 150; must keep Engineering to wear	35 Armor, +8 Stamina, +7 Spirit; no equip level
Neck	Kaleidoscope Chain	World drop or auction house	+4 to all five primary attributes; requires 30
Shoulders	Forest Tracker Epaulets	World drop or auction house	78 Armor, +5 Strength, +11 Agility; requires 26
Back	Tigerstrike Mantle	World drop or auction house	25 Armor, +8 Agility, +7 Stamina; requires 29
Chest	Brawler's Leather Tunic New in Forever	Leatherworking 110; self-craft; Horde supply-camp pattern	98 Armor, +6 Strength, +8 Agility, +6 Stamina, +5 Spirit; requires 22
Wrists	Barbaric Bracers	Leatherworking; buy the finished pair	47 Armor, +4 Strength, +4 Agility, +6 Stamina; requires 27
Hands	Toughened Leather Gloves	Leatherworking; tradeable craft	61 Armor, +6 Strength, +6 Agility, +3 Stamina; requires 22
Waist	Deviate Scale Belt	Leatherworking; Wailing Caverns pattern route	51 Armor, +3 Strength, +5 Agility, +6 Stamina; requires 18
Legs	Triprunner Dungarees	Rig Wars, Gnomeregan; Horde quest minimum 25	101 Armor, +3 Strength, +18 Agility, +6 Stamina; no equip level
Legs (craft alternative)	Brawler's Leather Legguards New in Forever	Leatherworking 125; self-craft at a Tanning Rack	90 Armor, +7 Strength, +9 Agility, +7 Stamina, +6 Spirit; requires 25
Feet	Brawler's Leather Boots New in Forever	Leatherworking 85; self-craft; Horde supply-camp pattern	61 Armor, +5 Strength, +5 Agility, +4 Stamina; requires 17
Ring	Ironspine's Eye	Ironspine, rare in Scarlet Monastery Graveyard	+4 Strength, +9 Agility; requires 30; unique-equipped
Ring	Seal of Sylvanas	Arugal Must Die, Shadowfang Keep; Horde quest	+8 Stamina, +6 attack power; no equip level
Trinket	Dog Whistle	Houndmaster Loksey, Scarlet Monastery Library; difficult at 30	+5 Shadow resistance; summons a protective hound; requires 25
Trinket	Minor Recombobulator	Engineering 140; required to use	Dispels Polymorph on a friendly target; restores 203 to 338 health and 96 to 160 mana; 10 charges
Main hand (sword)	Outlaw Sabre	Baron Aquanis quest, Blackfathom Deeps; Horde route	38 to 72 damage, 2.70 speed, 20.37 DPS, +16 attack power; no equip level; list values conflict
Off hand (sword)	Cruel Barb	Edwin VanCleef, The Deadmines; Horde can enter	30 to 57 damage, 2.80 speed, 15.54 DPS, +12 attack power; requires 19
Main hand (dagger)	Meteor Shard	Archmage Arugal, Shadowfang Keep	22 to 42 damage, 1.80 speed, 17.78 DPS; 42 Fire damage proc; requires 23; unique-equipped
Off hand (dagger)	Cross Dagger	World drop or auction house; choose a physical-stat suffix	13 to 25 damage, 1.30 speed, 14.62 DPS; random stats; requires 23
Ranged	Glass Shooter	Dark Iron Ambassador, rare in Gnomeregan; difficult at 30	36 to 68 damage, 2.90 speed, 17.93 DPS, +12 attack power; requires 30

Best weapon at every level

Use this as a practical weapon route for both hands, with a Combat sword or mace track and a Backstab dagger track in every row. Forever database picks are marked client; the rest are Era backups, since undiscovered loot keeps any absolute best-at-every-level list unverified.

Level	Best weapon	How to get it	Notes
1-9	Both tracks MH: starter dagger, Stiletto at 3, Copper Dagger at 6; no off hand yet	Starting gear; Stiletto from a weapon vendor; Copper Dagger from a blacksmith or the auction house	These are client-listed equip levels. Buy only an affordable improvement; Backstab starts at 4 in the client list. Keep the starter dagger until you can afford or earn the next one.
10-14	Combat MH: Gladius, then Cursed Felblade at 13; OH: Blade of Cunning. Daggers MH: Blade of Cunning; OH: Copper Dagger, then Jambiya at 11	Train swords; vendor Gladius/Jambiya; RFC for Cursed Felblade; racial level-10 class chain for Blade of Cunning	Train Dual Wield when offered at 10 (era); do not equip a main-hand-only sword off hand. Cursed Felblade is client-listed; the starter pair is era.
15-19	Combat MH: Vileblood Scimitar at 17; OH: Wingblade when the quest is done. Daggers MH: Meathook Slicer; OH: Tail Spike	Ruins of Lordaeron: Viktor the Vile and The Baron; Wailing Caverns: Leaders of the Fang and Skum	The new Ruins weapons and retuned Tail Spike are client listings. Until they drop, keep Cursed Felblade and your class dagger. Wingblade is an era quest source.
20-24	Combat MH: Stinging Viper; OH: Wingblade. Daggers MH: Meteor Shard at 23; OH: Serrated Raptor Claw once Changing Tastes is finished	Lord Pythas in Wailing Caverns; Arugal in Shadowfang Keep; Borstan's Excavation Site quest	Train maces before using the Viper. Era Viper source; Meteor Shard and the new claw are client-listed. The quest minimum is 24, not a promise of an easy run at 24.
25-29	Combat MH: Outlaw Sabre; OH: Wingblade. Daggers MH: Toxic Revenger at 27; OH: Serrated Raptor Claw	Horde Baron Aquanis quest for Outlaw Sabre; Viscous Fallout in Gnomeregan for Toxic Revenger	Outlaw Sabre currently lists level 25 in Forever. If Eye of Bhossca mail arrives early, compare Ruby-Adorned Blade; most reports put that mail at 30. Client listings; keep an earned pair until upgraded.
30-34	Combat MH: Ruby-Adorned Blade; OH: Outlaw Sabre. Daggers MH: Toxic Revenger; OH: Vendetta	Solo Eye of Bhossca chain; keep the BFD quest sword; Gnomeregan and Razorfen Kraul zone drops	Ruby-Adorned Blade is a client-backed option at the beta cap. Vendetta is a fast client-listed dagger; its rare zone drop is optional. Do not put Swinetusk Shank off hand: it is main-hand-only.
35-39	Combat MH: Sword of Omen; OH: Vanquisher's Sword once earned. Daggers MH: Toxic Revenger, then Coldrage Dagger at 38; OH: Vendetta	Into the Scarlet Monastery; Bring the End and Amnennar the Coldbringer in Razorfen Downs; keep the Razorfen Kraul off hand	Era sources above the beta cap, with Coldrage Dagger now client-listed at 38. Keep Ruby-Adorned Blade if its live damage wins, and carry the existing pair until a genuine upgrade drops.
40-44	Combat MH: Sword of Omen or Hand of Antu'sul at 43; OH: Vanquisher's Sword. Daggers MH: Gut Ripper at 40; OH: Vendetta	Keep quest swords; Antu'sul in Zul'Farrak; Gut Ripper is a world BoE or auction-house purchase	All era. Gut Ripper is a luxury, not a required gold sink; use a level-appropriate green dagger if it is overpriced.
45-49	Combat MH: Thrash Blade; OH: Vanquisher's Sword. Daggers MH: Gut Ripper; OH: Lifeforce Dirk when its quest is finished	Corruption of Earth and Seed, Maraudon; The God Hakkar quest in Sunken Temple for Lifeforce Dirk	All era. Temple completion normally takes a group near 50; until then keep Vendetta or your best current off hand.
50-54	Combat MH: Thrash Blade; OH: Vanquisher's Sword. Daggers MH: Barman Shanker; OH: Lifeforce Dirk	Keep Maraudon/RFD quest swords; Plugger Spazzring in Blackrock Depths; Temple quest	All era. Barman Shanker needs level 50 and help reaching the bar; keep Gut Ripper if it is your stronger current choice.
55-57	Combat MH: Thrash Blade; OH: Mirah's Song once earned. Daggers MH: Barman Shanker; OH: Lifeforce Dirk	Kirtonos the Herald quest in Scholomance for Mirah's Song; keep the earlier dagger pair	All era. Finish Eva Sarkhoff's first two quests before summoning Kirtonos; keep Vanquisher's Sword until the group finishes. Ras Frostwhisper's later chain is not required for the sword.
58-60	Combat MH: Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge; OH: Dal'Rend's Tribal Guardian. Daggers MH: Felstriker; OH: Bonescraper	Warchief Rend Blackhand in Upper Blackrock Spire for both Dal'Rend swords and Felstriker; Baron Rivendare in Stratholme for Bonescraper. Era sources; Forever's drops aren't confirmed yet.	All era. Rare-drop goals, not a launch guarantee. Thrash Blade plus Mirah's Song remains a sensible Combat pair; dagger users can keep Barman Shanker while farming.

Keep the higher-damage slow main hand for Sinister Strike or Backstab and compare off-hand damage, speed and stats; check actual equip levels, weapon restrictions and new Forever drops before replacing a working pair.

Pre-raid targets at 60

Use this as an Era pre-raid shopping route, not a confirmed Forever best-in-slot set or day-one availability promise. Pieces have Forever records or references; blocked tooltips remain unconfirmed. Above 30 is launch planning. Defaults show swords; Heartseeker and Bonescraper are dagger alternatives. Compare current Shadowcraft set bonuses before mixing pieces, and check Dire Maul availability before planning a run.

Damage

Slot	Item	Stats	Where
Head	Mask of the Unforgiven	+1.0 % crit, +2.0 % hit, +13 Stam	The Unforgiven, Stratholme; Era acquisition plan
Neck	Mark of Fordring Era data	+26 AP, +1 % crit	In Dreams, Western Plaguelands; Era acquisition plan
Shoulder	Shadowcraft Spaulders	+22 Agi, +0.2 % hit, +9 Stam	Cannon Master Willey, Stratholme; Era acquisition plan
Back	Cape of the Black Baron	+15 Agi, +20 AP	Baron Rivendare, Stratholme; Era acquisition plan
Chest	Shadowcraft Tunic	+26 Agi, +0.8 % hit, +13 Stam	General Drakkisath, Upper Blackrock Spire; Era acquisition plan
Wrist	Bracers of the Eclipse Era data	+10 Agi, +24 AP, +9 Stam	Prince Tortheldrin, Dire Maul West; Era acquisition plan
Hands	Devilsaur Gauntlets	+28 AP, +1.0 % crit, +9 Stam	Tribal Leatherworking; buy the finished pair; Era acquisition plan
Waist	Shadowcraft Belt	+9 Str, +14 Agi, +10 Stam	World drop or auction house; Era acquisition plan
Legs	Devilsaur Leggings	+46 AP, +1.0 % crit, +12 Stam	Tribal Leatherworking; buy the finished pair; Era acquisition plan
Feet	Swiftwalker Boots Era data	+4 Str, +21 Agi, +7 Stam	Princess Moira Bronzebeard, Blackrock Depths; Era acquisition plan
Finger	Blackstone Ring	+20 AP, +1.0 % hit, +6 Stam	Princess Theradras, Maraudon; Era acquisition plan
Finger	Painweaver Band Era data	+16 AP, +1 % crit, +7 Stam	General Drakkisath, Upper Blackrock Spire; Era acquisition plan
Trinket	Hand of Justice Era data	+20 AP	Blackrock Depths; Era boss assignment depends on patch; Era acquisition plan
Trinket	Blackhand's Breadth Era data	+2 % crit	For the Horde!, Warchief Rend Blackhand quest; Era acquisition plan
Main Hand	Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge Era data	+4 Str, +1 % crit, +41.43 DPS	Warchief Rend Blackhand, Upper Blackrock Spire; Era acquisition plan
Off Hand	Mirah's Song	+9 Str, +9 Agi, +40.0 DPS	Kirtonos the Herald quest, Scholomance; Era acquisition plan
Ranged	Blackcrow	+3 Agi, +0.9 % hit	Shadow Hunter Vosh'gajin, Lower Blackrock Spire; Era acquisition plan

Consumables by level

Levels	Drink	Food	Potions	Elixirs	Also carry
1 to 15	No mana water needed. Thistle Tea restores 100 Energy when you have the recipe and Cooking 60.	Use affordable cooked food. Choose the 5 percent kill-XP bonus when the Forever tooltip includes it.	Minor Healing Potion, then Lesser Healing Potion when usable. Healing potions now come from First Aid.	Elixir of Minor Agility if cheap; check its current level requirement.	Linen bandages, poison supplies when learned, and room for quest loot.
15 to 30	Keep Thistle Tea for a tough pull; it has a 5 minute cooldown.	Use current Forever XP food. Eat between pulls instead of waiting for health.	Healing Potion, then Greater Healing Potion from 21; First Aid or a supplier. Rogues do not need mana potions.	Elixir of Lesser Agility from 18; Elixir of Agility from 27 gives +15 Agility for 1 hour.	Wool and silk bandages, anti-venom, poisons and sharpening stones. Forever officially allows poisons alongside temporary weapon enchants.
30 to 45	No water needed. Keep tea and spend it when you can use the Energy.	Grilled Squid from 35: Forever tooltip gives 1 percent crit and 5 percent kill XP, not Era Agility. Seasonal fish supply may limit it.	Superior Healing Potion from 35 is an Era level reference; verify the Forever item before stocking up.	Keep the level-27 Agility elixir. Greater Agility from 38 is listed in Forever; check its tooltip before upgrading.	Mageweave bandages when trained, poison refills and usable sharpening stones. In Classic Era, coordinate main-hand temporary enchants with Windfury.
45 to 60	Thistle Tea remains the Energy drink; no mana shopping required.	Grilled Squid is a listed crit option. Choose encounter food from current tooltips; no need to pay for an Era buff that changed.	Major Healing Potion from 45 is a guide reference; check the live tooltip and First Aid manual. Protection potions are an Era encounter option.	Elixir of the Mongoose: Forever item tooltip lists +25 Agility and +2 percent crit for 30 minutes, requires 46. Linked spell values conflict; check in game.	Runecloth bandages, healthstone if offered, poison supplies and temporary weapon enchants. In Classic Era, protection potions depend on the encounter.

Learn First Aid alongside either profession pair. It makes healing potions, bandages, disease poultices and bleed tourniquets. Consumable level requirements differ from profession skill. Tea is an instant Energy consumable, not a drink you sit with. Above 30 uses database or Era plans, not beta-tested performance. Check live cooldown sharing before combining several consumables. The flat score uses an Era main-hand weapon-DPS coefficient for both hands for a rough comparison. Apply wdps only to melee weapons; ranged DPS should not enter the Melee DPS score. Compare speed and effects separately.

New in Forever

Brawler's Leather BeltLeatherworking 60; Horde supply-camp pattern; self-craft 4 Strength, 4 Agility and 3 Stamina from 12. A useful early waist.
Brawler's Leather GlovesLeatherworking 75; Horde supply-camp pattern; self-craft 4 Strength, 4 Agility and 3 Stamina from 15. Dungeon drops can replace them.
Brawler's Leather BootsLeatherworking 85; Horde supply-camp pattern; self-craft 5 Strength, 5 Agility and 4 Stamina from 17. A predictable upgrade.
Brawler's Leather HoodLeatherworking 100; supply-camp pattern or dungeon drop; self-craft 8 Agility and 10 Stamina from 20. No Engineering requirement.
Brawler's Leather TunicLeatherworking 110; Horde supply-camp pattern; self-craft Mixed physical stats from 22. Budget for Pristine Leather and Shadowgems.
Brawler's Leather LegguardsLeatherworking 125; dungeon or supply-camp pattern; Tanning Rack Physical stats from 25. Compare Triprunner Dungarees before spending.
Formula: Enchant Necklace - AgilityHorde supply-camp Enchanting vendor; Friendly; Enchanting 210 Adds 5 Agility to a necklace. Buy an enchanter service; the formula binds on pickup.
Satchel of Copper BombsEngineering 85; self-craft; requires Engineering to use A new thrown-slot option from 13. Exploding throws add utility; it competes with other ranged-slot items.

Gear planner

Pick a piece for each slot and watch your stats and Melee DPS score add up; the Era score is a rough comparison, while weapon speed, dagger requirements, hit caps, poisons, procs and set bonuses still need your judgment.

0Damage scorein Agility points

Items and stats: Wowhead's Forever database; pieces Forever doesn't list yet use Classic data and say Era data. Score weights, in the units each stat is shown in. Melee DPS: str 0.55, agi 1, ap 0.55, crit 13, hit 10, wdps 1. Sources: ShadowPanther Classic Rogue PvE Armor: Era MAEP weights, normalized to Agility 1 · ShadowPanther Classic Rogue PvE Weapons: Era main-hand DPS coefficient 1.

Rogue in groups

Rogue in groups: stop the nasty cast, control the extra humanoid, and hit the target the tank has. Dad Bods gets more done when the healer can finish a sip.

Set up your screen

Enable enemy nameplates with cast bars and readable raid marks; give Kick its own easy key.
Place energy, combo points and target debuffs near the center; the beta notes list missing combo points on the Personal Resource Display, so check the normal target display too.
Turn on Target of Target and threat warnings; test any threat addon for build 1.60.1 before relying on it.
Bind Sap, Gouge, Feint, Sprint and Vanish separately. The client list puts Sap at 10, Kick at 12, Feint at 16 and Vanish at 22.
Show both weapon enhancements and carry spare poisons; the built-in cooldown tracker has a known enhancement-tracking issue in the beta notes.
Keep party health and healer mana visible, turn on Auto Loot for Pick Pocket, and put Pick Lock and Thieves' Tools where you can find them.

Raid marks

SkullFirst kill target after the tank engages; take your assigned Kick.
CrossSecond kill target; stay on Skull until the caller switches.
MoonUsually mage control; keep your damage and Blade Flurry away.
StarYour Sap if agreed before pulling; call a resist or early break.
SquareAnother control target or assigned interrupt; ask the caller which.

Habits that keep the group alive

Sap before the pullConfirm your mark and approach from Stealth. Forever keeps you stealthed after Sap; use Distract from 22 if it helps the approach. Call a resist immediately and leave the pull to the tank.
Keep control asleepKeep Blade Flurry, damage-over-time effects and poison procs away from controlled enemies. Damage breaks Sap and Gouge in Era; do not apply Deadly Poison to something the group wants parked.
Share the kick rotationAgree first, second and backup Kick. Save energy when your turn is near, interrupt the important cast, and say when yours misses or is unavailable. These are Era group habits.
Use Feint before troubleForever doubled Feint's threat reduction. Watch your threat and stop attacking if needed; do not treat it as Retail's area-damage shield.
Assign Expose ArmorForever lets warriors keep using Sunder Armor alongside Expose Armor. Pick one rogue to maintain Expose when requested; the armor reductions do not add together.
Work from behindStand behind or at the safe rear flank for Backstab and fewer parries in Era. Move with the tank; a dragon's tail is not a safe rear flank.
Let the tank settleWait for the tank to collect the pack before opening hard. After a target change, let the new tank build a lead. That is an Era habit worth keeping.
Stop the runnerCrippling Poison can slow a fleeing enemy before it brings friends. Check immunity and the tank's plan; Gouge or a stun can buy time if they work.
Help the healerUse a bandage or Healthstone in a safe moment and move out of damage. Vanish is an Era threat reset when it succeeds, but damage over time and detection can spoil the escape; check the live behavior.
Save a stun for dangerCheap Shot arrives at 26 and Kidney Shot at 30 in the client list; Blind is 34, beyond beta. Use eligible control to stop an emergency, not on every immune boss.
Open the group's lockboxesOffer Pick Lock between pulls. Use the trade window's non-traded slot where supported, return anything traded to you, and state your skill before someone hands over a box. Era service, dad manners.
Check before the next pullReapply poisons, tell the tank if Sap or Kick is unavailable, and let the healer drink. Unlock a safe door when asked; stealthing ahead alone is not a group route plan.

Sources: Blizzard · Blizzard forums · Wowhead · Icy Veins · foreverdb.net.

Which ability when

Choose the ability that solves the pull in front of you. Levels follow the client trainer export; talent abilities require the matching build, and Era carryovers are marked.

Situation	At 30	At 60	Why
One enemy while leveling	Use Sinister Strike, Backstab from behind with a dagger, or Mutilate with its talent and two daggers. Use Slice and Dice when more swings remain; Eviscerate when it can end the fight.	Keep those choices; Assassination can maintain Venom, while Subtlety can use Hemorrhage with Rupture. Those deeper builds are untested.	Pick a builder your weapons support and a finisher the enemy will live long enough to justify.
Several enemies	With Blade Flurry, attack a safe target near one other enemy. Without it, ask for control and focus one down.	Combat can pair Blade Flurry with Adrenaline Rush when the tank has control. Keep both enemies away from the Sap.	Blade Flurry hits another nearby opponent; it does not turn a rogue into a tank.
A dangerous caster	Keep Energy for Kick. If Kick is unavailable, use a valid Gouge or Kidney Shot to stop the immediate threat.	Keep the same tools; Blind at 34 adds another option when its target can be controlled. Test immunity and break rules (era).	Stopping the right cast usually helps more than squeezing in another builder.
An enemy starts running	Use Kidney Shot at 30 if points and Energy allow. Crippling Poison is another option once your poison access is confirmed.	Keep a suitable slow or stun ready; agree who stops runners before the pull.	Preventing another pack from joining saves more time than chasing an enemy through the room (era).
Your health is low	Use Evasion against dodgeable melee attacks, or Sprint toward safety. A clean Gouge can create a bandage window; existing poison or bleed ticks can break it.	Blind or Vanish can add escape options when conditions allow. Do not treat Vanish as protection from ongoing damage (era).	Evasion is a melee defense in Era; check Forever behavior and choose cover when the danger is a spell (era).
You have no Energy	Let auto-attacks continue while Energy recovers. Do not spend the first refill on damage if Kick is needed next.	Combat can use Adrenaline Rush when talented and ready; it doubles regeneration for 15 seconds in the client tree.	Rogues use Energy, not mana. Thrill of Adventure grants health and mana, so it cannot refill this bar.
The group is setting up a dungeon pull	Mark a valid Sap target, use Distract if useful, then Sap before the tank pulls. Wait for the group to be ready.	Keep the setup; deep Subtlety talents can make control cheaper or improve Distract.	Forever lets Sap preserve Stealth. A clear mark keeps friendly damage away from your work.
An enemy turns toward you	Use Feint on that enemy and let the tank recover it. If danger is immediate, use a defensive tool and move toward the tank.	Keep Feint handy; reserve Vanish for a planned emergency or reset after checking its live behavior (era).	Feint reduces NPC threat. It does not taunt, and losing aggro is usually the right outcome for a damage rogue.
A teammate is in trouble	Kick the caster or Kidney Shot the melee enemy. Gouge can buy time if the target is facing you and damage will stop.	Blind adds another timeout; Preparation may restore a rogue escape or control cooldown if you have the talent.	Spend a finisher to save the healer. The damage meter can wait.
Choosing a PvP opener	Use Cheap Shot when a stun creates the opening; use Ambush with a main-hand dagger for immediate damage. A talented Premeditation can set up points first.	Add the deeper talent tools your preset actually has; keep a route back to allies and an escape cooldown.	Choose control or damage for the objective. Test stun diminishing returns before planning a long chain (era).

Raid night checklist

Tick things off as you pack. Ticks stay in this browser; clear them before the next raid night.

Raids in Forever

Raids open December 9, 2026: Onyxia's Lair for 40 players, Barrow Deeps for 10 and Hyjal Summit for 20. Launch is November 4, with no raid opening that day.
Barrow Deeps and Hyjal Summit are confirmed new raids. Their beta boss lists contain eight and thirteen encounters; the names and order are not confirmed strategy guides.
The beta stops at 30. All level-60 rogue assignments, consumable quantities and resistance plans here are preparation, not tested Forever raid requirements.
Blizzard has not announced the live attunements for these opening raids. Keep the Era Horde Onyxia chain as a fallback, not a guaranteed entry rule.
Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, Zul'Gurub, Ahn'Qiraj and Naxxramas have no confirmed Forever opening dates in these sources. Their boss tactics carry era tags.
Rogue supplies focus on poisons, Vanish powder and survival consumables. Quantities are a suggested evening's bag, not an entry fee; check cooldown sharing and current tooltips.
Pick one Expose Armor owner, agree Kick teams, and check enhancements before the ready check. Follow current Forever mechanics when they differ from the Era boss notes.
Do not buy a world-buff service or a resistance set for an untested new raid on the strength of this list. Check the live rules and the guild's actual assignment.

Before the raid: assignments

Agree the Kick order, backup interrupts, Sap marks and emergency stuns.
Choose one Expose Armor owner and a backup with the tanks; tell the leader if Improved Expose Armor is in your build.
Confirm poison choices, cleave restrictions and survival gear with the leader; share the plan before the first pull.

Before every pull

Enough health, bandages and emergency healing; ask for missing buffs before the pull.
Both weapons equipped, poisons checked and any assigned stone or resistance pieces ready.
Know the kill target, your Kick turn and whether Expose Armor is yours.
Control mark confirmed; Sap before the pull only when the caller wants it and the target is eligible.
Stand at the safe rear flank, away from controlled enemies; let the tank make contact.
Check Feint, Vanish and damage cooldowns; call missing utility early, then save energy for the assigned interrupt.

Rogue jobs by raid size

Raid	Rogues	Who does what
10 players: Barrow Deeps	1 to 2 rogues	One handles the first assigned interrupt and armor debuff; the second backs up interrupts or handles an add. Assign control only after targets and mechanics are known.
20 players: Hyjal Summit, Zul'Gurub, AQ20	2 to 4 rogues	Split eligible caster targets and Kick turns. One Expose Armor owner, one backup; everyone else follows kill marks and adds.
40 players: Onyxia, Molten Core and later	4 to 8 rogues	Divide interrupt teams by target and put a backup behind each team. Keep one armor-debuff owner per priority target; assign add bursts and resistance jobs explicitly.

Suggested roster ranges are guild planning, not a required class quota. Era interrupt and positioning habits are starting points; Barrow Deeps and Forever's Hyjal have no verified rogue boss assignments yet.

Onyxia's Lair40 players

Size: 40
Level: 60
Attunement: The Forever requirement is unknown. The Era Horde route is Warlord's Command from Warlord Goretooth in Kargath, Badlands; finish the Eitrigg/Thrall/Rexxar/Emberstrife chain and Blood of the Black Dragon Champion. Carry the rewarded Drakefire Amulet; no need to equip it.
Resistance: No universal rogue fire-resistance minimum is confirmed for Forever. In Era, start in damage gear with protection potions; use swaps only if the leader requests them.

Bring for Onyxia's Lair

Drakefire Amulet Era data1Carry it for Era entry if the live attunement still requires it.
Greater Fire Protection Potion Era data5-10Buffer fire damage while moving; positioning still decides Deep Breath.

Bosses, in a common order

Onyxia Attack the safe flank between breath and tail. Stop chasing her in the air; handle assigned whelps, dodge Deep Breath and wait for tank control after landing. (era)

Barrow Deeps10 players

Size: 10
Level: 60
Attunement: The Forever requirement is unknown; no verified attunement steps published. Scheduled December 9, 2026.
Resistance: No verified resistance requirement yet. Wait for actual damage types and your assigned job before buying a set.

Bring for Barrow Deeps

Spare poisons and Flash Powder Era dataEnough for the nightGeneral rogue supplies only; no boss-specific consumable requirement is verified.

Bosses, in a common order

Chillhowl No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Khalith the Dreadspinner No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Amethrax No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Ravus and Darlissa No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Elder Tangleclaw No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Well of Sorrow No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Del'lynar Songwood No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Sonya Darkhallow No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.

Hyjal Summit20 players

Size: 20
Level: 60
Attunement: The Forever requirement is unknown; no verified attunement steps published. Scheduled December 9, 2026. This is the new level-60 raid, not TBC's Caverns of Time raid.
Resistance: No verified resistance requirement yet. Wait for actual damage types and your assigned job before buying a set.

Bring for Hyjal Summit

Spare poisons and Flash Powder Era dataEnough for the nightGeneral rogue supplies only; no boss-specific consumable requirement is verified.

Bosses, in a common order

Bandalar No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Time-Lost Battalion No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Old Gloomlurker No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Kathris the Haunted No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Elder Minderel No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Council of Thorns No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
The Wild King No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Ancient of Decay No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Sylvestris Dusksong No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Gharalis the Abyssal No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Anara Chillwind No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Tracker Stillwind No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.
Nythus the Dreambound No verified rogue tactic yet. Confirm interruptible casts, safe melee positions and add duties from the live encounter before assigning a Kick or armor-debuff job.

Zul'Gurub20 players

Size: 20
Level: 60
Resistance: No dedicated rogue resistance set is normally needed in Era. Use optional nature protection and leave poison clouds; Forever requirements are unverified.

Bring for Zul'Gurub

Greater Nature Protection Potion Era data5-10Optional poison-damage buffer; follow the raid's cleansing plan.
Gurubashi Mojo Madness Era data1-2 for the summonerOnly the assigned Edge of Madness summoner needs this.
Mudskunk Lure, Zulian Mudskunk and fishing gear Era data1 summoner's kitOnly the assigned Gahz'ranka fisher carries the lure, five fish per summon and enough effective Fishing.

Bosses, in a common order

High Priestess Jeklik Kick assigned heals in her troll phase; switch to marked bats and leave fire promptly. (era)
High Priest Venoxis Avoid poison clouds and follow the melee engagement call; do not stack early into Holy Wrath. (era)
High Priestess Mar'li Interrupt Drain Life when assigned; stop damage if her form or tank control calls for it. (era)
Bloodlord Mandokir Stop attacks and movement when watched. Let the tank recover after charges. (era)
Gri'lek Optional rotating boss: run if Avatar targets you; resume damage after the fixation ends. (era)
Hazza'rah Optional rotating boss: kill assigned illusions quickly and avoid their contact damage. (era)
Renataki Optional rotating boss: expect Vanish and Ambush; stay healthy instead of betting on your own Vanish. (era)
Wushoolay Optional rotating boss: stay off the front and move out of lightning clouds. (era)
High Priest Thekal Share Kick duties on healer Lor'Khan and balance the three targets for nearly simultaneous deaths; regroup after transformation. (era)
Gahz'ranka Optional summon: use the raid's water position to survive knockback; wait for tank control. (era)
High Priestess Arlokk Switch to the assigned panthers and follow marked-player positioning; avoid uncontrolled cleave. (era)
Jin'do the Hexxer Kill Brain Wash and healing totems promptly; while cursed, hit Shades when assigned. (era)
Hakkar Take the planned Son of Hakkar poison before Blood Siphon. Stop hitting a controlled tank and follow the control call. (era)

Molten Core40 players

Size: 40
Level: 60
Attunement: The Era shortcut is Attunement to the Core from Lothos Riftwaker inside Blackrock Mountain (level 55+). Loot the Core Fragment beside the MC portal in Blackrock Depths and return it. Optional for entry through BRD; recommended for direct access.
Resistance: No confirmed Forever rogue fire-resistance target. In Era, preserve damage gear where safe, use protection potions and step out of dangerous melee effects; tank resistance targets are not your shopping list.

Bring for Molten Core

Greater Fire Protection Potion Era data10-20Fire protection for the agreed progression pulls; keep room for emergency healing.
Aqual Quintessence / Eternal Quintessence Era data1 per assigned douserOnly assigned dousers need the Era Hydraxis chain items to open Majordomo progression.
Fire-resistance swap pieces Era dataAssigned pieces onlyOptional melee survival swaps at the leader's request.

Bosses, in a common order

Lucifron Kill marked protectors, then boss; call for curse removal so energy costs do not stay inflated. (era)
Magmadar Fight at the rear flank, avoid fire patches and wait for the tank after fear. (era)
Gehennas Kill the marked guards and move out of Rain of Fire; request a decurse when needed. (era)
Garr Hit the called add or boss and leave dying Firesworn before they explode. (era)
Baron Geddon Run Living Bomb to the agreed safe spot and leave Inferno range; do not bomb the melee pile. (era)
Shazzrah Leave Arcane Explosion range when called and pause after teleports until the tank settles him. (era)
Sulfuron Harbinger Rotate Kick on the Flamewaker Priests' heals; focus the marked add before the boss. (era)
Golemagg the Incinerator Hit Golemagg, not his Core Ragers. Step out if melee damage stacks become unsafe. (era)
Majordomo Executus Follow add marks, leave sheep untouched, and stop melee into Damage Shield when called. (era)
Ragnaros Use the assigned melee spot, leave for knockback as instructed, and kill the called Sons during submerge. (era)

Blackwing Lair40 players

Size: 40
Level: 60
Attunement: The Era shortcut is kill Scarshield Quartermaster near the Blackrock Spire entrance; his Blackhand's Command item starts the quest. Kill General Drakkisath in UBRS and touch Drakkisath's Brand. This unlocks the Orb of Command; entry through UBRS remains possible.
Resistance: Use the leader's Firemaw hide spot and optional fire-resistance swaps in Era. No fixed Forever minimum is verified; Onyxia Scale Cloak protection is a separate mechanic.

Bring for Blackwing Lair

Onyxia Scale Cloak Era data1Equip for Shadow Flame on the drakes and Nefarian's landing; resistance alone does not replace its protection.
Greater Fire Protection Potion Era data10-20Fire damage on Vaelastrasz, drakes and Nefarian.
Hourglass Sand Era dataAs allocated by the raidRemoves the bronze affliction on Chromaggus; share raid drops by assignment.
Thieves' Tools Era data1Keep Disarm Trap ready for assigned suppression devices on the Broodlord approach.

Bosses, in a common order

Razorgore the Untamed Protect the assigned controller or corner and interrupt eligible casters. In phase two, wait for tank control. (era)
Vaelastrasz the Corrupt Spend the extra energy while watching threat; take Burning Adrenaline away from the raid immediately. (era)
Broodlord Lashlayer Disarm assigned suppression traps along the approach; wait for the tanks to rebuild threat after knockbacks. (era)
Firemaw Hit from the flank and use the agreed hiding spot to drop Flame Buffet stacks; resume only when safe. (era)
Ebonroc Stay on the safe flank and pause during tank swaps so Shadow of Ebonroc does not heal him through you. (era)
Flamegor Follow the hunter's Frenzy control and tank position; do not drift into the front. (era)
Chromaggus Hide for dangerous breaths, use Hourglass Sand when assigned, and call afflictions before control is lost. (era)
Nefarian Equip Onyxia Scale Cloak for Shadow Flame. The rogue class call moves you to the front: do not assume Vanish saves you; follow the tank's turning plan. (era)

Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj20 players

Size: 20
Level: 60
Attunement: In Classic Era, no personal attunement. The realm must have opened the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj; individual raiders do not need the Scepter.
Resistance: No routine rogue resistance set is needed in Era. Follow the raid's potion plan and movement calls; Forever tuning is unverified.

Bring for Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj

Greater Nature Protection Potion Era data5-10Optional buffer for nature damage, particularly the Buru finish.
Greater Arcane Protection Potion Era data2-5Optional Moam survival buffer if the raid plan calls for it.
Usable outdoor mount Era data1Travel between Ossirian crystals when assigned to scout or click.

Bosses, in a common order

Kurinnaxx Leave sand traps immediately and stay behind the current tank through swaps. (era)
General Rajaxx Follow wave marks and interrupt the assigned caster. Let tanks collect each wave before cleaving. (era)
Moam Optional: burst when called and switch to assigned elementals; leave control targets alone. (era)
Buru the Gorger Optional: kite toward the called egg if chased; step out before the egg bursts, then help finish phase two. (era)
Ayamiss the Hunter Optional: during the air phase, kill larvae headed for paralyzed players; melee the boss only once grounded. (era)
Ossirian the Unscarred Move with the tanks between crystals and avoid tornadoes; activate crystals only if assigned. (era)

Temple of Ahn'Qiraj40 players

Size: 40
Level: 60
Attunement: In Classic Era, no personal attunement. The realm must have opened the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj; individual raiders do not need the Scepter.
Resistance: Rogues may be among Huhuran's closest fifteen in Era, so confirm your soaking slot and the leader's nature-resistance target. No Forever target is verified; Twin Emperors shadow-resistance gear belongs to the designated magic tank.

Bring for Temple of Ahn'Qiraj

Greater Nature Protection Potion Era data10-20Nature-damage protection for the agreed Huhuran or Viscidus plan.
Powerful Anti-Venom Era data10-20Personal poison-removal backup; check its First Aid requirement and current cooldown.
Nature-resistance set Era data1 assigned setFor an assigned Huhuran soaking position; coordinate with the closest-fifteen plan.
Frost Oil and fast spare melee weapons Era data2-5 oils; 1 fast pairAssigned Viscidus freezing and shattering tools; test poison and oil interactions in Forever.
Qiraji Resonating Crystal Era data1 if ownedOptional travel mount found inside the Temple.

Bosses, in a common order

The Prophet Skeram Kill the called image, keep away from controlled allies and let the tank collect each new split. (era)
Lord Kri Optional Bug Trio: follow kill order and leave his poison cloud after death. (era)
Princess Yauj Optional Bug Trio: rotate Kick on heals and recover position after fear. (era)
Vem Optional Bug Trio: follow kill order, watch charges and give tanks time after movement. (era)
Battleguard Sartura Kill marked guards, stun only when eligible, and run out during Whirlwind; stuns do not stop the spinning phase. (era)
Fankriss the Unyielding Switch fast to the called Spawn of Fankriss before it enrages; do not tunnel the boss. (era)
Viscidus Optional: use the assigned frost-hit tools to freeze, then fast melee hits to shatter. Cleanse poison through the group plan. (era)
Princess Huhuran Wear the assigned nature-resistance set if soaking in the closest fifteen. Save damage cooldowns for the called final burn. (era)
Emperor Vek'lor Do not melee the magic-vulnerable emperor. Move safely after teleports and avoid Blizzard. (era)
Emperor Vek'nilash Attack this physical-vulnerable emperor only after the tank catches him. Follow teleport swaps and leave mutated bugs alone. (era)
Ouro Optional: use the safe flank, avoid Sand Blast and move away from burrow trails. (era)
C'Thun Spread for beams, move around Dark Glare and kill called tentacles; inside the stomach, kill flesh tentacles and leave before acid wins. (era)

Naxxramas40 players

Size: 40
Level: 60
Attunement: In Classic Era, level 60 and Argent Dawn Honored. Accept The Dread Citadel - Naxxramas from Archmage Angela Dosantos at Light's Hope Chapel, Eastern Plaguelands. Honored: 60g, 5 Arcane Crystals, 2 Nexus Crystals, 1 Righteous Orb. Revered: 30g, 2 Arcane Crystals, 1 Nexus Crystal. Exalted: free; still complete the quest.
Resistance: Prepare the raid leader's Era melee frost-resistance target for Sapphiron and bring frost protection. No exact Forever rogue minimum is confirmed; do not sacrifice every damage stat for an arbitrary cap.

Bring for Naxxramas

Greater Frost Protection Potion Era data10-20Sapphiron and Kel'Thuzad frost-damage buffer.
Greater Shadow Protection Potion Era data10-20Loatheb Inevitable Doom; follow the agreed timing.
Greater Nature Protection Potion Era data5-10Optional survival buffer for relevant nature-damage fights.
Greater Fire Protection Potion Era data5-10Optional Four Horsemen protection when assigned.
Frost-resistance set Era data1 assigned setSapphiron progression set at the leader's target.
Juju Chill Era data10-20Optional frost-resistance buff from Witch Doctor Mau'ari in Everlook.
Whipper Root Tuber and bandages Era data10-20 tubers; 20 bandagesLoatheb self-healing on the raid's schedule; check shared cooldowns.

Bosses, in a common order

Patchwerk Let the main and Hateful Strike tanks establish threat before attacking. Do not try to soak Hateful Strikes as a rogue. (era)
Grobbulus Move Mutating Injection to the assigned edge and wait for it to expire; keep away from existing poison clouds. (era)
Gluth Help kill zombies after Decimate as assigned; do not drag them into the boss or steal the kiters' control. (era)
Thaddius Check polarity immediately, run to the correct side and avoid touching opposite charges. (era)
Noth the Plaguebringer Pause after Blink for threat recovery, kill marked adds and request prompt curse removal. (era)
Heigan the Unclean Learn the safe eruption sequence and dance with melee; Sprint helps movement, but it does not choose a safe tile. (era)
Loatheb Take a spore only in your assigned group and use self-healing supplies on the raid's schedule. (era)
Anub'Rekhan Kill assigned guards, move out before Locust Swarm and stay away from the tank's kite route. (era)
Grand Widow Faerlina Leave Rain of Fire quickly and keep the designated Worshipper alive until the enrage-control call. (era)
Maexxna Free assigned webbed players, prepare for Web Spray and save burst for the called final burn. (era)
Instructor Razuvious Wait until a controlled Understudy has the boss. Kick is not a substitute for the priests' tank-control job. (era)
Gothik the Harvester Stay on your assigned side, kill the called adds and avoid early cleave that disrupts control. (era)
Highlord Mograine Four Horsemen: follow the front-group rotation and leave at the assigned Mark count. (era)
Thane Korth'azz Four Horsemen: stack with your assigned group to split Meteor and rotate at the called Mark count. (era)
Lady Blaumeux Four Horsemen: leave Void Zones immediately; go to this corner only as assigned in the rotation. (era)
Sir Zeliek Four Horsemen: spread for Holy Wrath and keep the assigned corner rotation; do not trail a chain through the raid. (era)
Sapphiron Use the assigned frost-resistance gear, avoid Blizzard, then hide behind an ice block for Frost Breath. (era)
Kel'Thuzad Rotate Kick on Frostbolt, spread melee groups for Frost Blast, leave Shadow Fissures and stop hitting controlled players. (era)

Checklist from Codex research of Blizzard's Forever notes and Classic raid guides. Quantities are starting points; your raid leader's word wins.

Reputations

Start with rewards that improve your actual weapons, damage or assigned survival job, and buy an enchant from another player when it saves a grind. Forever factions below distinguish confirmed systems from unverified unlocks; Era raid factions are future plans without promised dates.

Faction	What you get	How to earn it	When
Durotar Supply and Logistics Unverified	Check leatherworking, sharpening-stone and other useful crafting stock before spending Merchant's Favor. No specific rogue recipe standing is verified here; Favor is a currency separate from reputation.	Fill Waylaid Crates and take them to the Horde trade hub west of the Crossroads; check the current vendor and recipe requirements.	During leveling when a crate uses affordable materials.
Darkspear Raiders Unverified	Darkspear Pauldrons have a level-60 client listing with Agility, Stamina and crit at Exalted. This is a rogue target to compare; caster Spellblades and Intellect cloaks are not automatic rogue upgrades.	Play Darkspear Islands and its reputation quests or turn-ins. Check Creeg Bothunk's level versions and live costs before grinding a specific item.	From the level-30 bracket for the system; the cited Pauldrons require 60, beyond beta.
Ravenholdt	Rogue class story and pickpocket practice; the new Forever quest What's the Big Idea? lists Ravenholdt reputation. No endgame rogue gear reward for reaching Exalted is verified.	Follow The Manor, Ravenholdt from the rogue trainer, then the manor's current quests. Era Syndicate kills and Heavy Junkbox turn-ins are separate older reputation methods.	Check from 24; new quest difficulty may be much higher than the minimum.
Argent Dawn Era data	Resistance shoulder enchants and the Era Naxxramas attunement cost reductions can matter later. No direct early rogue weapon reward makes this an urgent beta grind.	Plaguelands quests, Stratholme and Scholomance, then Scourgestones while wearing the Argent Dawn Commission in Era.	Around 50-60 with dungeon gearing; Forever Naxxramas timing is unknown.
Timbermaw Hold Era data	Honored unlocks Formula: Enchant Weapon - Agility for an enchanter. Buy the enchant from someone else if you only want the weapon upgrade.	Complete furbolg quests, kill Deadwood or Winterfall enemies and turn in feathers or beads. Leave friendly Timbermaw alive.	Felwood and Winterspring while leveling; confirm Forever recipe availability.
Thorium Brotherhood Era data	Crafted leather fire-resistance recipes can support an assigned raid set. Buy the pieces if you do not craft them; this faction is not a required rogue damage grind.	Thorium Point jobs and Era material turn-ins, then Dark Iron Residue and higher-tier materials through Lokhtos.	Near 60 only when the guild needs resistance gear; Forever vendor gates are unverified.
Zandalar Tribe Era data	Friendly plus the required doll and idol gives Death's Embrace for head or legs. Exalted unlocks the physical-damage shoulder enchant Zandalar Signet of Might; Madcap armor also needs raid tokens.	Run Zul'Gurub, turn in coins and bijous, and save rogue dolls and the correct Hakkari tokens. Do not confuse reputation with having every quest material.	At 60 after Zul'Gurub opens; no Forever date verified.
Hydraxian Waterlords Era data	Honored plus Hydraxis's chain supplies Aqual Quintessence; Revered unlocks reusable Eternal Quintessence. This helps open Molten Core's final encounters, rather than buying a rogue weapon.	Duke Hydraxis's Era quests and elemental or Molten Core kills. Split dousing duties with the guild.	Only when Molten Core is relevant; it is not one of December's three opening raids.
Cenarion Circle Era data	Emblems of Veiled Shadows gives a rogue ring, cloak and dagger. Dagger of Veiled Shadows requires Exalted plus AQ20 materials in Era; this is a later raid goal.	Silithus quests and repeatable turn-ins, then AQ20 reputation and the correct Qiraji tokens, idols and scarabs.	Later level-60 Ahn'Qiraj progression; Forever gates and reward tuning are unverified.
Brood of Nozdormu Era data	The physical-damage Signet Ring of the Bronze Dragonflight path and Deathdealer's Embrace armor are later rogue goals; armor also needs AQ40 tokens and standing.	Ahn'Qiraj kills and Era turn-ins such as Qiraji Lord's Insignias and Ancient Qiraji Artifacts.	At 60 with AQ40 progression; no Forever opening date verified.

Rogue tips

Small habits for fewer corpse runs. Advice marked (era) comes from Classic Era and still needs a Forever check. Client tree details use the rogue snapshot; the trainer export alone does not prove an ability is trainable.

Leveling

Fight on your terms. Choose one enemy and a clear retreat. Stealth around a bad pull; you do not owe every boar an explanation.
Upgrade the working weapon. Favor a strong main-hand for Sinister Strike; compare both daggers for Mutilate. Weapon damage matters to those builders in the client descriptions.
Do not wait for five. Use an earlier Eviscerate when it will finish the enemy. A five-point plan is less useful after the enemy dies.

Energy and finishers

Keep an interrupt reserve. Leave enough Energy for Kick when a dangerous cast is due. Spending the bar on damage can leave the healer paying for it.
Pool with a purpose. Let Energy rise before a planned stun or burst. Spend before the bar fills so regeneration has room.
Use the refund talent. Relentless Strikes gives a 20% chance per point spent to restore 25 Energy. At five combo points, the client tooltip reaches 100%.

Combo points and Stealth

Build, then choose. Builders add points; finishers spend them. Slice and Dice supports continued attacking, Eviscerate finishes a short fight, and Kidney Shot buys control.
Test target switching. Wowhead's Forever abilities guide reports that changing targets alone keeps your old points until you build on another enemy. Treat that as client evidence and test before relying on it.
Stealth is preparation. Pick your approach before the fight. Vanish is the in-combat escape; ordinary Stealth is not a replacement. This follows Era behavior and needs a live check (era).

Dungeons

Name the Sap. Agree on a marker and let the tank know you are moving in. Keep the controlled enemy outside damage.
Stand behind, with space. Backstab needs rear access. October notes reported enemies parrying or blocking from behind when players stood too close; retest and avoid crowding the model.
Assign the dangerous cast. Agree who interrupts first. Call when your Kick is unavailable so another dad can cover.

Group habits

Bring trouble to the tank. If an extra enemy follows you, move toward the tank and call it. Running around the room turns one problem into cardio.
Give the healer a turn. Stop for mana and recovery before the next pull. Your Energy refilling does not refill everyone else.
Spend control to help. A stun on an enemy attacking the healer can matter more than your next damage finisher. Watch the group, too.

Forever tools

Use the new armor agreement. Discuss Expose Armor with the warrior before the boss. Its new Sunder interaction makes coordination easier.
Respect the dagger gates. Mutilate is an Assassination talent despite duplicate entries in the trainer export. Backstab and Ambush need a main-hand dagger; do not buy a sword and expect every button to work.
Read the personal bonuses. The client gives Improved Kidney Shot a bonus to your own damage. Hemorrhage boosts your Rupture, not everyone's physical attacks. Old raid advice can send you sideways.

Control without surprises

Protect the timeout. Gouge requires the enemy to face you; any damage breaks it in the Forever tooltip. Bleeds, poison ticks, and a friendly swing can spoil the pause.
Use shorter damage plans. Do not apply a long bleed to something you may need to control next. Ask whether the group wants a kill or a timeout.
Save the reset for a reason. Preparation resets other rogue cooldowns in the client tree. Test individual abilities; never assume it resets racial or item cooldowns.

Horde choices

Orc Blood Fury: +10% Attack Power and Spell Power for 15 seconds. Shatter Curse: Curse/Bane immunity and less magic damage for 8 seconds. Axe Specialization: +1% spell/ability crit with axes; Hardiness: 20% shorter stuns. Useful burst and protection.
Troll Berserking: +10% attack/cast speed for 10 seconds. Rapid Regeneration: restores 50% maximum health over time. Beast Slaying: +5% Beast damage; Regeneration: 10% health regeneration continues in combat. Handy between and during fights.
Undead Will of the Forsaken removes charm, fear, and sleep. Cannibalize restores 35% health and mana over time; rogues benefit from the health. Underwater Breathing: 300% longer breath. Touch of the Grave: occasional attack health drain.
Windshaper Skyborne Blizzard's Horde table also allows Skyborne rogues. Walk on Air: 10-second glide. Skysight: a blessing for +10% run speed. Wind Blessed: +1% melee/ranged/casting haste; Elemental Insight: +5% damage to Elementals. Mobility and passive damage help.

Sources: Blizzard rogue deep dive · Blizzard beta notes · Forever talent data · Blizzard races and racials · Forever spellbook data.

Addons and UI

Start with Blizzard's own tools, then add only what helps you watch threat, your energy and your timers. Readable bars beat a cockpit.

Default raid-style party frames Works in Forever

Edit Mode lets you use compact raid-style party frames and move them where you can read them. Put health bars and debuffs near your character, then use this guide's mouseover keys to heal without changing targets.
Forever UI source includes the Edit Mode setting, checked Oct 14, 2026
Default Cooldown Manager Works in Forever

Blizzard's tracker supports class abilities, racials, and trinkets, with consumable support still due in a later patch. Keep Fear Ward and your talented cooldowns in view before shopping for more trackers.
Official October 8 support update, checked Oct 14, 2026
Default nameplates Works in Forever

Blizzard's nameplates put enemy health and cast bars above the mobs. Keep enemy plates visible so you can spot a loose mob while your mouse stays near the party frames.
Part of the Forever client, checked Oct 14, 2026
Default Damage Meter Works in Forever

The built-in meter shows healing, damage, dispels, and deaths, and you can position it in Edit Mode. Review healing and deaths after the pull; a bigger number is less useful than a living tank.
Forever 1.60.1 meter guide dated Sep 22, checked Oct 14, 2026
DBM or BigWigs Unverified

Boss warnings and timers. Pick one, not both. Check that it knows the boss before you trust a timer to tell you when to Fear Ward.
Both list 1.60.1 core files; new raid coverage unverified, Oct 14, 2026
ThreatClassic2 Works in Forever

The Forever version shows threat for your enemy target, but its friendly-target healer mode is unavailable on this client. Rogues pull threat with crits. Check the list, and Feint before the tank loses the boss.
2.75-forever and explicit Forever limits, checked Oct 14, 2026
Details! Damage Meter Unverified

A damage and healing meter with overheal, dispel and death views. Use healing and overheal views to review wasted casts if they work in your build, rather than turning every pull into a family leaderboard.
Oct 14 release supports 1.60.1; rogue views unverified, Oct 14, 2026
Questie Works in Forever

Questie's Forever-supported package adds quest markers and a quest database. Use it to collect dungeon quests before the group leaves town, which saves a rogue several apologetic boat rides.
v12.1.0+v1.0.6 lists Forever 1.60.1, checked Oct 14, 2026
Baganator Works in Forever

Baganator gives you searchable bags in one window or categories and requires its Syndicator dependency. Keep water, candles, potions, and spare healing gear easy to find before the tank starts counting down.
837 lists Forever support, checked Oct 14, 2026
Bartender4 Works in Forever

Bartender4 lets you rearrange action bars and bind their buttons. Put Kick, Gouge, Vanish and Evasion where you can hit them blind; the stealth bar swaps by itself.
4.18.3.1 lists Forever support, checked Oct 14, 2026
WeakAuras and the Musca Auras Forever fork Unverified

Regular WeakAuras is not a drop-in Forever setup; Musca Auras is a 1.60.1 port whose modern aura triggers work within the client's limits. Useful reminders to test are missing Inner Fire, Fear Ward cooldown, talented Power Infusion ready once learned, shield and Weakened Soul, mana potion cooldown, and a five-second-rule ticker.
Musca 1.9.1 supports 1.60.1; these rogue auras unverified, Oct 14, 2026

Add and test one addon at a time, including a Kick on your mouseover target and Vanish in combat, before adding the next.

Professions for rogues

Pick a pair that fits your evenings. Skinning and Leatherworking makes leather upgrades, Mining and Engineering adds gadgets, and Herbalism and Alchemy supplies elixirs. Learn First Aid and Cooking with any pair. Bedtime does not need a second shift.

Which pair to pick

Professions	Why	Best for
Skinning and Leatherworking	Skin the beasts you already kill and make your own BoP Brawler pieces. Crafts also need bought reagents and patterns. Tradeable older gear can be bought without the profession, and a dungeon drop may win the slot.	Self-made leveling gear and gathering on the quest route
Mining and Engineering	Mining feeds bombs and gadgets. They add damage and control; many need Engineering to use. Materials, bag space and extra buttons are the bill. Gadgets can fail, so keep your rogue escape tools ready.	Dungeon utility, PvP and dads who like a toolbox
Herbalism and Alchemy	Gather herbs for Agility elixirs, useful potions and sales. Healing potions moved to First Aid, and Thistle Tea is Cooking, so neither requires Alchemy. Recipes and gathering detours still take time.	Consumable supply and flexible gathering income

Leatherworking: a short route to 130, with rogue upgrades

Start with cheap trainer recipes. Make your BoP upgrades when useful, then resume the route.

Leveling route

Skill	Make	Materials
1 to 30	Light Leather or Light Armor Kit	3 Ruined Leather Scraps or 1 Light Leather
30 to 55	Cured Light Hide	1 Light Hide, 1 Salt; save hides
55 to 75	Embossed Leather Gloves	3 Light Leather, 2 Coarse Thread
75 to 80	Medium Leather	4 Light Leather
80 to 90	Cured Medium Hide	1 Medium Hide, 1 Salt; save hides
90 to 100	Fine Leather Belt	6 Light Leather, 2 Coarse Thread; save belts
100 to 115	Light Leather Pants	10 Light Leather, 1 Cured Light Hide, 1 Fine Thread
115 to 125	Dark Leather Belt	1 Fine Leather Belt, 1 Cured Medium Hide, 2 Fine Thread, 1 Gray Dye
125 to 130	Heavy Leather	5 Medium Leather

Worth making

Item	Skill	Why
Brawler's Leather Belt	60	Early BoP physical stats. Pattern from the Horde supply camp.
Brawler's Leather Gloves	75	BoP hands from 15; compare with tradeable upgrades.
Brawler's Leather Boots	85	BoP boots from 17.
Brawler's Leather Hood	100	BoP head from 20. Recipe: 8 Medium Leather, 2 Cured Medium Hide, 4 Pristine Leather, 2 Fine Thread, 4 Shadowgem.
Brawler's Leather Tunic	110	BoP chest from 22. Check the camp pattern before gathering rare reagents.
Brawler's Leather Legguards	125	BoP legs from 25; Tanning Rack required. Compare the Gnomeregan quest reward first.
Devilsaur Gauntlets	290	Era endgame Tribal Leatherworking reference; tradeable gear. Verify the Forever pattern.

The route uses Forever guide recipes and per-craft bills, not guaranteed skill-ups. It stops at 130: later guide and tooltip skill records disagree. Train Expert with Una in Thunder Bluff at skill 125 and level 20. Artisan needs level 35, above beta cap. Brawler gear binds on pickup; a guildmate cannot craft your copy.

Engineering: keep the parts and make useful bombs

Save intermediate parts. Stop to make a gadget you will actually press.

Leveling route

Skill	Make	Materials
1 to 30	Rough Blasting Powder	1 Rough Stone
30 to 50	Handful of Copper Bolts	1 Copper Bar
50 to 51	Arclight Spanner	6 Copper Bar; keep tool
51 to 75	Rough Copper Bomb	1 Copper Bar, 1 Copper Bolts, 2 Rough Powder, 1 Linen Cloth
75 to 90	Coarse Blasting Powder	1 Coarse Stone
90 to 100	Coarse Dynamite	3 Coarse Powder, 1 Linen Cloth
100 to 105	Silver Contact	1 Silver Bar
105 to 125	Bronze Tube	2 Bronze Bar, 1 Weak Flux
125 to 135	Standard Scope	1 Bronze Tube, 1 Moss Agate
135 to 150	Heavy Blasting Powder; Whirring Bronze Gizmo	Powder: 1 Heavy Stone; gizmo: 2 Bronze Bar, 1 Wool Cloth
150 to 160	Bronze Framework	2 Bronze Bar, 1 Medium Leather, 1 Wool Cloth
160 to 175	Explosive Sheep	2 Heavy Powder, 1 Bronze Gizmo, 1 Bronze Framework, 2 Wool Cloth

Worth making

Item	Skill	Why
Satchel of Copper Bombs	85	New BoP thrown item from 13; keep Engineering to use it.
Flying Tiger Goggles	100	Early head placeholder; requires Engineering 100 to wear.
Minor Recombobulator	140	Polymorph dispel and healing utility; Engineering 140, 10 charges.
Green Tinted Goggles	150	Stamina head alternative; Engineering 150 to wear.
Iron Grenade	175	Era control tool; verify Forever target restrictions.

Bills are per craft. Component labels are shortened; match them to the full trainer recipe. Orgrimmar and Undercity have trainers. Check Forever skill colors before continuing toward 225; Artisan needs level 35. Mechanical Dragonling has conflicting item and activation levels, so it is not a beta default. Gadgets often require Engineering even if someone else made them.

Tips

Durotar Supply and Logistics has the Horde supply camp near the Crossroads. Compare Merchant's Favor recipe costs before buying materials.
First Aid is secondary. Healing potions, bandages and remedies do not take a primary profession slot.
Thistle Tea uses Cooking 60, Swiftthistle and Refreshing Spring Water. Alchemy is not required.
New BoP leather belongs to its crafter. Tradeable Devilsaur gear and older crafts can be bought from a guildmate.
Keep gold for weapon training, class skills and repairs. You do not need to craft every blue item.

Best enchants for a rogue

Enchant a weapon you will keep, then buy cheap armor bonuses. Values follow Forever tooltips unless a row says Era. Higher-skill services are launch plans. Buy the improvement, not just the glow.

Slot	Enchant	Effect	When
Main-hand weapon	Crusader	Proc heals 75 to 125 and grants 100 Strength for 15 seconds	DPS at 60; confirm formula access
Off-hand weapon	Agility	+15 Agility	DPS at 60; compare with Crusader for your build
Weapon	Fiery Weapon	Fire-damage proc; Era leveling recommendation	Leveling; buy only for a weapon you will keep
Back	Minor Agility	+3 Agility, increased from Era +1	Leveling; check formula access
Back	Lesser Agility	+3 Agility; same visible bonus as Minor Agility in current records	DPS; choose the cheaper usable service
Chest	Minor Stats	+2 to all five primary attributes, increased from Era +1	Leveling
Chest	Greater Stats	+4 to all five primary attributes	DPS at 60
Wrist	Minor Strength	+3 Strength, increased from Era +1	Leveling
Wrist	Lesser Agility	+4 Agility; new Forever formula	Leveling only if an enchanter has the reputation formula
Wrist	Agility	+5 Agility from the new Enchanting 190 formula	DPS; use spell 1248497, not the conflicting +9 record
Wrist	Superior Strength	+9 Strength	DPS at 60 if the Agility service is unavailable
Hands	Agility	+7 Agility, increased from Era +5	Leveling or DPS
Hands	Greater Agility	+10 Agility	DPS at 60
Feet	Minor Agility	+3 Agility, increased from Era +1	Leveling
Feet	Minor Speed	Movement-speed increase; Era estimates commonly use 8 percent	Leveling or DPS when movement matters
Feet	Greater Agility	+7 Agility	DPS at 60 when movement is already covered
Neck	Agility	+5 Agility; new Forever necklace enchant	DPS; Enchanting 210 service and Friendly supply-camp formula

Rows are alternatives, not stacks of permanent enchants. Arrange an enchanter service; PTR-only scroll records do not prove scrolls are obtainable. Bracer Agility has two spell records: the 190 formula gives 5, while another record gives 9. Do not budget 9 without a live source. Lesser Bracer Agility lists centaur reputation requirements; it is not an easy fresh-leveling purchase. Forever officially lets poisons coexist with temporary weapon enchants. In Classic Era, Windfury competes with a main-hand temporary enchant; confirm the party setup. Head and leg arcanums are Era quest options, not ordinary Enchanting services. No verified general rogue enchant purchase is listed here for rings, trinkets, belts or shoulders.

Troubleshooting

My opener says I must be stealthed: Check the Stealth buff, selected enemy, position, and weapon; the first Stealth press does not also fire an opener.
Sap broke right away: Stop damage on the Sapped enemy and keep attack builders off that key; Forever Sap preserves your Stealth, and using it on a PvP-flagged target can flag you.
Vanish didn't drop combat: Check reagents, the cooldown, and damage still hitting you; move away and test with the default bar, because a macro cannot promise a clean escape.
My poisons wore off: Check time and remaining charges on both weapons, restock, and reapply; Forever increases charges but does not make poisons permanent.
Kick hit the wrong player: A living mouseover wins even when your selected enemy is casting; move your pointer away or use the Ctrl target override card.
Shift or Ctrl does nothing: Check for a conflicting modified keybind and try clicking the macro with the modifier held; also confirm the alternate spell is learned.
My poison leaves a glowing cursor: Check the exact item name and equipped hand, wait for application, and confirm any replacement prompt yourself; slot 16 is main hand and 17 is off hand.
The macro won't save or the spell is red: Keep the body under 256 characters including line breaks, and insert the exact learned spell name from your spellbook; focus routing still needs a beta test.

Graphics and console settings

36 commands

A steady frame rate helps you reach the next Kick and stay behind your target, while readable ground effects keep the boss's trouble visible under your boots. Start at native resolution and 100% render scale, with Low or Fair shadows, Medium particles and Projected Textures on. Cap your frame rate at what your PC can hold, and 30 in the background. Write down every value before you change it so you can put it back.

The Forever look

The September tip from Icy Veins that went around the community: render scale 98%, contrast 60, brightness 40 (some players prefer 45). The same sliders are in Settings > Graphics (Render Scale under Resolution; Contrast, Brightness and Gamma further down). It depends on your monitor, so try it in a foggy zone and keep what looks right.

Write down your current look first

Prints render scale, contrast, brightness and gamma so you can put them back.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/run for _,n in ipairs({"RenderScale","Contrast","Brightness","Gamma"}) do print(n,C_CVar.GetCVar(n)) end

The Forever look: 98% scale, contrast 60, brightness 40

Icy Veins says 98% render scale cleans up the image and can save a few frames, and contrast 60 with brightness 40 makes the new fog stand out. One player post uses brightness 45. It depends on your monitor.

3 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/console RenderScale 0.98
/console Contrast 60
/console Brightness 40

Undo: back to the game's defaults

Resets render scale, contrast and brightness to the client defaults. If you wrote down different values, type those instead.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/run for _,n in ipairs({"RenderScale","Contrast","Brightness"}) do local d=C_CVar.GetCVarDefault(n); if d then C_CVar.SetCVar(n,d) end end

Record first

Screenshot Settings > Graphics (Base, Raid and Advanced) before you touch anything. These read-only lines print your current values to chat.

Read your current foreground cap

Prints your current maxFPS cap to chat and changes nothing. The on/off switch for the cap (useMaxFPS) is a separate setting, so this alone does not tell you whether the cap is on.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/run print("maxFPS", C_CVar.GetCVar("maxFPS"))

Read the game's default cap

Prints what the game thinks the default maxFPS is, and changes nothing. That is the game's default, not the value you had before, so write your own down too.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/run print("maxFPS default", C_CVar.GetCVarDefault("maxFPS"))

Record cap switches, VSync and render scale

Prints six settings in one go: both FPS caps and their on/off switches, VSync and render scale. Write the results down before you change anything so you can put them back.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/run for _,n in ipairs({"useMaxFPS","maxFPS","useMaxFPSBk","maxFPSBk","vsync","RenderScale"}) do print(n,C_CVar.GetCVar(n)) end

Restore a recorded 120 FPS cap

Puts maxFPS back to 120. That is only an example: type whatever value you wrote down before tuning, not 120 because we said so.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console maxFPS 120

Reset one setting to the game's default

Asks the game for its default maxFPS and sets just that one setting back to it (swap in another name to reset a different setting). A default is not always what you had before, so if you wrote your old value down, type that instead.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/run local n="maxFPS"; local d=C_CVar.GetCVarDefault(n); if d then C_CVar.SetCVar(n,d) end

Balanced starting profile

Native resolution, 100% render scale, 60 FPS while playing and 30 in the background, with combat effects kept readable.

Balanced starting profile

A readable starting profile: 60 FPS foreground, 30 background, 100% scale, Fair shadows/water, Medium particles, projected textures on, Low ambient occlusion, and moderate draw detail.

14 lines, 406 characters: too long for one macro. Type them one at a time in chat.

/console useMaxFPS 1
/console maxFPS 60
/console useMaxFPSBk 1
/console maxFPSBk 30
/console RenderScale 1
/console graphicsShadowQuality 1
/console graphicsLiquidDetail 1
/console graphicsParticleDensity 3
/console graphicsProjectedTextures 1
/console graphicsSSAO 1
/console graphicsViewDistance 4
/console graphicsEnvironmentDetail 4
/console graphicsGroundClutter 2
/console graphicsTextureResolution 2

FPS, frame pacing and heat

Raise the cap only if your monitor and real frame rate make it worthwhile.

Test 90 FPS foreground / 30 background

Turns on both FPS caps: 90 while you are playing, 30 when the game is in the background. A cap cannot make a struggling PC reach 90; it just stops a fast one working harder and hotter than it needs to.

4 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/console useMaxFPS 1
/console maxFPS 90
/console useMaxFPSBk 1
/console maxFPSBk 30

Turn the foreground cap off properly

Switches the foreground FPS cap off with its real switch, useMaxFPS 0. The old tip of setting maxFPS 0 is a guess; this is the actual switch, and your stored maxFPS number stays put for when you turn the cap back on.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console useMaxFPS 0

Disable Target FPS for a controlled test

Turns off Target FPS, a separate feature that is not the same thing as the FPS cap. Leave it as you found it unless it is muddying a before-and-after test; note its state first and put it back afterwards.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console useTargetFPS 0

Test VSync disabled

Turns the game's VSync off. It can feel more responsive but may show tearing, so compare it with your monitor and driver settings rather than assuming off is better.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console vsync 0

Enable VSync if tearing distracts

Turns the game's VSync back on if tearing bothers you. If you wrote down a different starting value, that is your real undo; no VSync choice is best for every monitor and driver.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console vsync 1

If FPS is still too low

Lower shadows and water first. Render scale is the last resort.

Lower-cost graphics experiment

Drops shadows and water to Low, turns ambient occlusion off, and lowers view distance, environment detail and ground clutter; the settings menu shows those three as 4, 4 and 2. Try one change at a time in the spot that was slow and keep only what actually helps.

6 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/console graphicsShadowQuality 0
/console graphicsSSAO 0
/console graphicsViewDistance 3
/console graphicsEnvironmentDetail 3
/console graphicsGroundClutter 1
/console graphicsLiquidDetail 0

Try 85% render scale (last resort)

Sets render scale to 0.85, which is 85% in each direction and about 72% as many pixels to draw. Only use a value your Render Scale slider actually offers, and treat it as a last resort because it softens the picture.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console RenderScale 0.85

Return to 100% render scale

Puts render scale back to 1 (100%) after the 85% test. If you started somewhere other than 100%, type your recorded value instead.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console RenderScale 1

Keep combat cues visible

Healers need to see ground effects. Keep these on.

Preserve readable combat cues

Keeps projected textures on and particles at Medium so you can still see what is on the floor. Turning either off is a classic FPS-macro trick that can hide combat cues a healer needs.

2 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/console graphicsProjectedTextures 1
/console graphicsParticleDensity 3

Antialiasing

Try the cheap image-based option before expensive MSAA.

Antialiasing: None

Turns off both kinds of antialiasing (MSAAQuality and ffxAntiAliasingMode) so you can see how much they cost you. Write both values down first and put both back afterwards.

2 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/console MSAAQuality 0
/console ffxAntiAliasingMode 0

Antialiasing: FXAA Low test

Turns MSAA off and switches on FXAA Low (ffxAntiAliasingMode 1), the cheap way to smooth jagged edges. Compare it with None: you are trading a bit of blur for smoother edges.

2 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/console MSAAQuality 0
/console ffxAntiAliasingMode 1

Test 8x texture filtering

Sets textureFilteringMode 4, which is 8x anisotropic filtering (5 is 16x). It sharpens distant ground seen at an angle; it is not guaranteed to be free, so check your frame rate and put it back if it costs you.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console textureFilteringMode 4

Raid profile

Lower settings that switch on only in raids.

Optional lower-cost Raid profile

Turns on the separate Raid profile (RAIDsettingsEnabled 1) and gives it lighter settings for group content: Low shadows and water, Fair particles, projected textures on, ambient occlusion off, draw sliders showing 4/4/2, and High textures. If Fair particles hide something you need to see, bump them back to Medium in the Raid tab.

10 lines, 366 characters: too long for one macro. Type them one at a time in chat.

/console RAIDsettingsEnabled 1
/console raidGraphicsShadowQuality 0
/console raidGraphicsLiquidDetail 0
/console raidGraphicsParticleDensity 2
/console raidGraphicsProjectedTextures 1
/console raidGraphicsSSAO 0
/console raidGraphicsViewDistance 3
/console raidGraphicsEnvironmentDetail 3
/console raidGraphicsGroundClutter 1
/console raidGraphicsTextureResolution 2

Go back to the Base profile

Switches the Raid profile off so the game uses your Base settings everywhere again. It does not reset the Raid values themselves; they are just not in use.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console RAIDsettingsEnabled 0

Responsiveness and latency

Input feel and network delay are separate from frame rate.

Optional cast on key down

Sets ActionButtonUseKeyDown 1 so your abilities fire when you press the key instead of when you let go, which can feel a touch snappier. Bars and addons that set their own useOnKeyDown behaviour can ignore it, and it does nothing for ping or FPS.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console ActionButtonUseKeyDown 1

Check whether SpellQueueWindow exists

Prints your current SpellQueueWindow value and changes nothing. We could not confirm from the Forever UI files that this setting exists or what it does here, so if it prints nil, leave it alone.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/run print("SpellQueueWindow",C_CVar.GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow"))

Ask the game what SpellQueueWindow does

Asks the game for its own help text on SpellQueueWindow and prints it, changing nothing. If nothing comes back, the setting is not there and you can stop here.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/run for _,v in ipairs(ConsoleGetAllCommands()) do if v.command:lower()=="spellqueuewindow" then print(v.command,v.help) end end

Try a 300 ms spell queue (only if it exists)

Sets SpellQueueWindow to 300 ms. Only try it if the game confirmed the setting exists and you are coming down from a bigger value to chase a specific casting problem: it cannot lower your ping, and too small a window leaves gaps between casts, so compare and put it back if it feels worse.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console SpellQueueWindow 300

Read home and world latency

Prints your home and world latency in milliseconds, the same numbers the game's own performance indicator uses. It is one snapshot, not an average, and it changes nothing.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/run local _,_,h,w=GetNetStats(); print("Home",h,"ms; World",w,"ms")

Renderer

See which graphics API you are running.

See your graphics API choices

Prints the graphics APIs your game can use, then which one is running right now and which one gxapi is asking for (they can differ until you restart). Stick with Auto unless you are chasing a real rendering problem, and only pick names the game listed.

2 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/run print("Available:",GetGraphicsAPIs())
/run print("Current:",GetCurrentGraphicsAPI(),"Requested:",C_CVar.GetCVar("gxapi"))

Readability and accessibility

Cooldown numbers, nameplates, a bigger cursor and less screen shake.

Turn on helpful numbers in the default UI

Turns on cooldown countdown numbers, a target-of-target frame, and health and mana text shown as both numbers and percentages (statusText and statusTextDisplay work as a pair). Pure readability, no FPS change; addon frames may do their own thing.

4 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/console countdownForCooldowns 1
/console showTargetOfTarget 1
/console statusText 1
/console statusTextDisplay BOTH

Optional enemy nameplates

Shows enemy nameplates, and shows them all the time rather than only in combat. Handy for picking out mobs; not an FPS trick.

2 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/console nameplateShowEnemies 1
/console nameplateShowAll 1

A bigger cursor (64x64)

Sets cursorSizePreferred 2, which asks for a 64x64 cursor that is easier to find over a wall of party frames. The other sizes are -1 Default, 0 32x32, 1 48x48, 3 96x96 and 4 128x128; pick one you can find without it covering the thing you want to click.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console cursorSizePreferred 2

Reduce camera and UI shake

Turns camera and UI shake down to a quarter strength (0.25 for both). A comfort setting, not a performance one; put both values back to undo.

2 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/console ShakeStrengthCamera 0.25
/console ShakeStrengthUI 0.25

Disable camera and UI shake

Turns camera and UI shake off completely (0 for both). Other effects that bother you may still be there; the Motion Sickness checkbox in Accessibility handles two more camera settings as a pair.

2 lines. Type them one at a time in chat, or paste all into a temporary macro and click it once.

/console ShakeStrengthCamera 0
/console ShakeStrengthUI 0

Use Alternate Screen Effects

Sets overrideScreenFlash 1, the same as ticking Alternate Screen Effects in Accessibility, which tones down screen flashes. It will not remove every uncomfortable effect, but it is the right first switch if flashes bother you.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/console overrideScreenFlash 1

Measure

A one-off reading, not a benchmark. Compare in the same place.

Check your FPS right now

Prints your frame rate right now as a whole number. It is a single snapshot, not an average, so read it in the same spot before and after a change.

Type or paste into chat and press Enter.

/run print("FPS",math.floor(GetFramerate()+0.5))

Commands come from the original guide and were checked against the Forever client's settings code. No frame-rate gain is promised. If the game blocks /run, use the Settings menus instead.

Glossary

Rogue words in ordinary language. You can learn the class without learning a second language first.

Add: An extra enemy joining the fight.
Aggro: Having an enemy's attention and attacks.
Threat: The score an enemy uses to decide whom to attack.
BiS: Best in slot: a proposed strongest item for a role and slot.
Beta cap: The highest beta level, currently 30.
Builder: An attack that creates combo points.
Combo points: Points built on an enemy and spent on a finishing move.
Finisher: An ability that spends combo points for damage, a buff, or control.
Energy: The rogue resource used by most attacks and control abilities.
Pooling: Waiting briefly to store Energy for a planned action.
CC: Crowd control: stopping or limiting an enemy.
Cleave: Damage that also reaches a nearby enemy.
DoT: Damage over time, such as a bleed or poison.
Bleed: A wound that deals periodic damage.
Cooldown: The wait before an ability can be used again.
Diminishing returns: Repeated control effects becoming shorter on a target; verify Forever categories.
DPS: Damage per second, or a player assigned to deal damage.
Era: Classic Era; advice carrying an era tag is not confirmed for Forever.
Forever: Blizzard's Classic-based game on the modern client, launching November 4, 2026.
GCD: Global cooldown: the short shared pause between many abilities.
Hit: Chance for an attack or spell to connect rather than miss.
Interrupt: Stopping a cast, often blocking that spell school briefly.
Legacy: Account progression that earns points each character can spend on perks.
LoS: Line of sight: a clear path between you and a target.
Main-hand: The weapon in your primary weapon slot.
Off-hand: The weapon in your secondary weapon slot.
Mouseover: The unit under your pointer, which a macro can target separately.
Opener: The first planned ability in a fight, often used from Stealth.
Peel: Use control or pressure to get an enemy off a teammate.
Poison: A rogue weapon coating that adds damage or another effect.
Pre-raid: Gear or preparation available before entering raids.
Proc: An effect that triggers when its conditions and chance allow.
Pull: Starting a fight or bringing enemies to the group.
Reset: Creating room to start a fight again, or refreshing cooldowns.
Sap target: The enemy the group has agreed to keep out of the fight.
Slice and Dice: A finisher that increases melee attack speed for a duration.
Stealth: A concealed movement mode used to approach and prepare.
Talented: The Legacy perk that can start talent points up to five levels earlier; it does not raise the 51-point ceiling.
Uptime: The time an effect stays active or you can keep attacking.
Weapon Expertise: The Forever Combat talent that reduces enemy dodge and parry chance.

Sources

Checked Oct 15, 2026. Blizzard's own posts win where sources disagree. The client UI code shows which commands exist, not that every spell casts.

Rogue Field Guide

Bind a macro in a minute

No macro needed

PvP in Forever

Your PvP tools

Get your tools ready

Poison and lock quick reference

Keep both skills useful

Legacy picks for a rogue

Builds at 30, the beta cap

Plans for 60

Horde route, 1 to 60

Dungeons by level

Quest rewards not to miss

Is there a Horde Wintersaber?

Horde rogue trainers

Ranks you can skip

What to train, by level

Your first mount

What stats matter, and when

Gear to aim for by 30

Best weapon at every level

Pre-raid targets at 60

Damage

Consumables by level

New in Forever

Set up your screen

Raid marks

Habits that keep the group alive

Raids in Forever

Before the raid: assignments

Before every pull

Rogue jobs by raid size

Bring to every raid

Onyxia's Lair40 players

Bring for Onyxia's Lair

Bosses, in a common order

Barrow Deeps10 players

Bring for Barrow Deeps

Bosses, in a common order

Hyjal Summit20 players

Bring for Hyjal Summit

Bosses, in a common order

Zul'Gurub20 players

Bring for Zul'Gurub

Bosses, in a common order

Molten Core40 players

Bring for Molten Core

Bosses, in a common order

Blackwing Lair40 players

Bring for Blackwing Lair

Bosses, in a common order

Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj20 players

Bring for Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj

Bosses, in a common order

Temple of Ahn'Qiraj40 players

Bring for Temple of Ahn'Qiraj

Bosses, in a common order

Naxxramas40 players

Bring for Naxxramas

Bosses, in a common order

Leveling